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Originally Posted by myap2328 View Post


So would you say that the hd650 has (in a vague term) more bass?

 

More upper bass maybe but overall no.

 

I have also read statements with regards the bass impact of the HD800's. IMO and in my system the HD800's have excellent impact, easily as much as the T1's. Impact comes from the leading edge of the note and the HD800's do transients extremely well.

 

When used balanced the HD650's also have pretty good impact considering it's a much slower phone and is nowhere near as good in the transient department.

post #12227 of 20089
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Originally Posted by fuzzy1969 View Post

When I first got mine I thought they sounded veiled even when amped, but now they don't is it a burning in thing or my brain/ears adjusting, I honestly don't know but its not there anymore and I do listen to other headphones to and not used to one sound signature.

 

I've noticed when I get a new phone with a different SQ than what I'm used to, initially, the differences will stand out (say I'm used to DT880 as my normal, get new Mad Dogs --- The Mad Dogs sound terribly dark and missing highs).

 

After some extended BRAIN-burn-in with the new phone's SQ, I learn to quickly adapt to the difference.  In the above example, I get used to the darker SQ of the Mad Dogs .... I can now switch back and forth between the two and realize the DT880s are bright, and the Mad Dogs are darker, and appreciate each for its own presentation.

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Originally Posted by BobJS View Post

 

I've noticed when I get a new phone with a different SQ than what I'm used to, initially, the differences will stand out (say I'm used to DT880 as my normal, get new Mad Dogs --- The Mad Dogs sound terribly dark and missing highs).

 

After some extended BRAIN-burn-in with the new phone's SQ, I learn to quickly adapt to the difference.  In the above example, I get used to the darker SQ of the Mad Dogs .... I can now switch back and forth between the two and realize the DT880s are bright, and the Mad Dogs are darker, and appreciate each for its own presentation.

 

Yes, most if not all of the so called "burn in" is just the brain adapting. It's designed to do so by nature  :-)

 

Few things sounds really good if you have no reference to it, if you have totally screwed references you may even hate the absolute natural sound ...

post #12229 of 20089
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Originally Posted by xeizo View Post

 

Yes, most if not all of the so called "burn in" is just the brain adapting. It's designed to do so by nature  :-)

 

Few things sounds really good if you have no reference to it, if you have totally screwed references you may even hate the absolute natural sound ...

thats interesting about the burn in. My friend recently got a pair of KEFF R500 speakers and after about the 15 - 20 hours burn in period there was a heck of a lot more low end that just wasn't there before. i mean an awful lot more and it was louder as well. If it is your brain adjusting then its doing an incredible amount of adjusting. the same thing happened with my wa2 -- after 30 hours the low end came in. 

post #12230 of 20089

Meier audio has some interesting information on break in, under his tips & tricks section, he recommends some bass heavy music.

post #12231 of 20089

Burn in does exist in headphones and also in our brain. My K701 sounded crappy until one day after burnt-in. The clarity improved by a lot and the sound was free of grain unlike before.

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Originally Posted by longbowbbs View Post

Interesting conversation....Too bad I can't have everyone over for a mini meet biggrin.gif

 

Here are the HD650's and HD800's both connected to my Decware Taboo MK III.

 

 

 

 

I have had the HD650's for a long time. I will likely never sell them  They have their own particular magic. However, the bass depth and quality from the HD800's is superior and it is not close. I have a lot of respect for David Mahler and his extraordinary collection. Perhaps he and I simply hear things differently. Nothing unusual about that.

 

If you have not spent significant time with both, I would recommend that you find an opportunity to do so. You will enjoy the discovery and you can discuss the differences with your own first hand knowledge and experience.

 

beerchug.gif

 

You make a good point. And I accept your invitation to come over to hear the hd800 at it's best. biggrin.gif

 

I'll whip up the Kool-aid and cookies...biggrin.gif

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Originally Posted by longbowbbs View Post

Interesting conversation....Too bad I can't have everyone over for a mini meet biggrin.gif

 

Here are the HD650's and HD800's both connected to my Decware Taboo MK III.

 

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

 

 

 

 

 

I have had the HD650's for a long time. I will likely never sell them  They have their own particular magic. However, the bass depth and quality from the HD800's is superior and it is not close. I have a lot of respect for David Mahler and his extraordinary collection. Perhaps he and I simply hear things differently. Nothing unusual about that.

 

If you have not spent significant time with both, I would recommend that you find an opportunity to do so. You will enjoy the discovery and you can discuss the differences with your own first hand knowledge and experience.

 

beerchug.gif

 

I don't question Dave's findings. His impressions are just being distorted to "support" an assumption.

 

True enough...People need to do what they can to form their own opinions before building the castle on sand.....

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http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/schiit/12.html

 

This reviewer seemed to enjoy the HD 800's on the Lyr. Also seems to be a reputable source. wink.gif

 

Recently at a meet, tried the HD 800 with the Lyr/Bifrost feeding Lossless out of a macbook. I was quite pleased biggrin.gif... and yes generally I would say the HD 800 is a big improvement over the HD 650 in nearly all regards except for the "midbass" emphasis which can be annoying for some genres confused_face(1).gif, but sooooooo smooth and musical and pleasing for others popcorn.gif

 

Sadly, I believe that I won't be dropping $$$ on HD 800s no matter how much I would love a pair... cause I feel I'd have to go balanced to really be making it worthwhile to jump up to the 4 figure pricing range (especially since I recently heard what an HD 600 can do when running balanced, and teh HD800 should only scale even higher)... and that opens my wallet to a whole new world of hurt.eek.gif
 

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Who says the mids of the HD650 cannot be brought forward?  Who says it is wanting in treble?

Halfway through boredom on a Sunday afternoon, I butchered my Senns. Now, it sings like a castrated eunuch in heat.


Edited by sp3llv3xit - 5/11/13 at 11:47pm
post #12236 of 20089
Interesting about burn in. I too heard substantially less veil(and I find this term misleading anyway as it tends to intimate a deficiency)after a certain amount of burn in. Not all of the burn in was listening, so only some it seems to me can be attributed to the brain. However, yesterday i had occasion to listen through the headphone socket of a mid-budget CD player, unamped. I was expecting it to sound nasty, but was very pleasantly surprised at the balance. It retained its liquidness (my new favourite word for its presentation!)and seemed somehow a tad brighter - maybe similar to what people try to achieve when removing the foam...
To be honest it scared me slightly thinking about the cost of my rig that I could be satisfied so quickly!!
Perhaps a trip to the audiologist is in order...:S
post #12237 of 20089
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(...) it sings like a castrated eunuch in heat.

 

:o)

 

Best advertising slogan for a pair of headphones ever !

 

Not sure I would buy them then though ;-)

 

P.-S.: This is just some humour, I like the sound of the HD650 and am not making fun of the phones :)

post #12238 of 20089

I wouldn't change/mod the 650 a bit. I love 'em just like they are. 

post #12239 of 20089

+1

post #12240 of 20089
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Originally Posted by sp3llv3xit View Post

Now, it sings like a castrated eunuch in heat.

 

Not to split hairs, but isn't that technically impossible? Seeing as how a Eunick wouldn't have his working man bits?

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