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post #1201 of 36891
You might get lucky on craigslist too. I got the newer version for 200, box and everything.
post #1202 of 36891
OK, I bought the new HD650 (post 2007 with metal mesh visible through the outside grille).

Why? I listened again to my older HD650 after the meet yesterday. I found it a bit dull if I played at anything but a rather loud volume.

So, I fired up the Vandersteen system, which is close enough to live music that it reminds me what I hear with live, unamplified jazz (my most useful reference for treble in particular). Listened to the same disks as I did at the meet. Indeed, the treble was more prominent in the overall mix of the Vandersteen system than with the older HD650s. Even the very upper midrange. At the meet yesterday, I found the newer HD650s were not overdone in the upper midrange / lower treble (whereas the HD800 struck me as overdone, one unit after another). But definitely brighter than my older HD650.

I ordered with the Amazon partner (figuring that Amazon's screening and policies may increase the chance of a good vendor and good customer support). I'll let you know how it goes once I register the warranty card. ;^)

Long live HD650s!

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Here is what I mean about the HD650 vs HD800. The chart below shows the two. Note the better low bass and upper treble of the HD800. But the upper midrange/lower treble is problematic. The HD650 curve shows great midrange response, but a hint of depression in the lower treble that many might hear as the "veil" (not to mention the loss of "air" and "shimmer" above 10kHz). On the other hand, the hearing of most of us has a resonance, perhaps in that area, that makes headphones peak unnaturally. So some depression there adds to the illusion of being outside your head.

In comparison, the HD800 has a depression in the upper midrange, followed by a peak in the lower treble, a 9dB peak. No wonder voices sound thinned out and bright, not all one voice but a split response that is quite obvious to me. Some lower registers can sound chesty and bright with a hole in the middle.

And, comparing the two headphones, which are really quite close in the lower midrange and bass, the HD800 is 10dB louder in the lower treble... yikes! But it is way up in the upper treble... THAT part I like! Whether these types of measurements are really consistent could be debated, but they match up with what I seemed to be hearing.

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I do have both (new&old) versions and IMO, the new version is sonically superior. The old version is too dull and slow for me. Although removing the black foam covering the driver can help speed them up a bit, the sound's still not as good as the new one.

I once considered replacing them (HD650 new version) with a pair of higher-end headphones, and the name of HD800 came to mind. Unfortunately, the phones didn't seem to like my set-up as I found they sounded terribly bright with my Burson HA160 (I know they're excellent with a proper amp e.g. SPL Auditor).

As I don't want to spend another 1000$ for an amp in addition to a pair of 13xx$ headphones, the idea was scrapped.

I then discovered HiFiMAN HE5&EF5 combo, costing around 750$ where I live (even better deal that that on Head-Direct). A pair of this China made headphones and amp costs less than a single HD800. Based on several reviews, they're "almost" as good as the "HD800+a good amp" (of course, HD800 betters them in some area e.g. headstage), and for the price, it's a steal.

Now I have 3 pairs (not counting the extra pair of HD650 ) of headphones, HD650+Equinox, K702+Blue Dragon, and HE5+(Soon to be ApureSound V3), and I think I got myself covered for now, as each phone excels in different type of music.

Too bad I need 3 amps to properly drive each of them. I mean, HD650 sounds quite good with HA160, but not as good as it does with DV332; K702 loves HA160, and nothing in my house, except the EF5, is able to drive the power hungry orthodynamic like HE5 (I'll try connecting them to my speaker amplifier (NAD C372) soon).
post #1205 of 36891
Thanks! Kinda confirms my impressions.

Plus, the HE-5 is new to me. I heard it once, with Frank Cooter's custom amp yesterday, where I found it both amazingly transparent but somehow a little idiosyncratic, not cut from the same cloth across the frequency range. Need more listening sessions.
post #1206 of 36891
Hi, would someone be kind enough to let me know how I can tell if my hd650's are the new or old versions?

Thanks
Steph
post #1207 of 36891
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Originally Posted by Steph86 View Post
Hi, would someone be kind enough to tell me how I can tell if my hd650's are the new or old versions?

Thanks
Steph
This is a picture I took long time ago.


On the left is the old version. You can see that its damping material is black silk, while the new version employs some kind of silver/metallic damping material.
post #1208 of 36891
Hi PrTv,

Thanks for that, from memory I think I have the new ones, as when I done the black foam mod, I recall the part you describe to be beige in colour. I'll check for sure when I return home.

Thanks again,
Steph
post #1209 of 36891
It's the metallic mesh not black silk as seen from the outside that is the visible difference.
post #1210 of 36891
I just purchased a pair through Proaudiostar @ ebay and through their Best Offer, their offering $335USD; shipping to Canada is $18USD.

It's interesting because at their actual store there selling the same pair for $499.00

Anyone know how much these headphones really cost?
post #1211 of 36891
I also noticed the wire jacks are different on the both models. The new version looks modular and the old looks hard wired?
post #1212 of 36891
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Originally Posted by iFly55 View Post
I just purchased a pair through Proaudiostar @ ebay and through their Best Offer, their offering $335USD; shipping to Canada is $18USD.

It's interesting because at their actual store there selling the same pair for $499.00

Anyone know how much these headphones really cost?
Authorized dealers have to deal with "MAP" pricing (Minimum Advertised Price) On their website they can't post a price lower than $499. That is why some retailers use the "add to cart to see actual price".

$499 is retail price for the cans, but you purchased them at a good price.
post #1213 of 36891
"retail is for suckers" - Cosmo Kramer
post #1214 of 36891
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Originally Posted by Steph86 View Post
I also noticed the wire jacks are different on the both models. The new version looks modular and the old looks hard wired?
Do you refer to the picture I posted?

If so, it's an aftermarket cable, Stefan Audioart Equinox. Both version actually came with identical cable (the right one in the picture).

Only cosmetic difference between the two is the color of damping material.
post #1215 of 36891
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Originally Posted by PrTv View Post
Do you refer to the picture I posted?

If so, it's an aftermarket cable, Stefan Audioart Equinox. Both version actually came with identical cable (the right one in the picture).

Only cosmetic difference between the two is the color of damping material.
Oh I see, thanks for that, I assumed they were both stock cables. Just out of curiosity can you hear a large audible difference with that equinox cable on the newer version hd650 over the stock?
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