Just my two cents.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 4/20/13 at 11:01pm
I have been eyeing the HD650s for a while because it is in my comfort zone for my budget and I like its open, airy, dark and warm sound signature quite a bit.
I love everything abt it, except that it sometimes can't have enough oomph for my electronic music. Is there any ways to solve my problem or should I look at
other cans? I auditioned it with this setup: iMac>Naim Dac>RSA Darkstar>HD650 (Unbalanced).
Btw, I dun like to EQ my cans.
What I would most likely pair it with is either 4S>CLAS>Pico Power or PC>USB DAC>Asgard 2/Graham Slee Novo or 4S/PC>iFi iDac> iFi iCan.
Thanks in advance for any input!
I like to listen to electronica a lot with the HD-650. And, as much as I love the HD-650, I'm sorry to say, if you're specifically looking for that extra "oomph", I'm not sure you'll find it with the HD-650. I personally love electronica with the HD-650, because I love all those mid-focused synthesizer parts... which, since they're mids, the HD-650 happens to do really, really well. So I personally have no problem with electronica on the HD-650.
But if you're specifically looking for bigger bass impact, I'm not sure there is much you can do.
I have admit, however, that I don't have much experience with pairing the HD-650 with other amps and DACs, so it certainly is possible getting different sources, may help with the bass. Maybe other people may chime in with their experiences? I know user yokken listens to electronica a lot, and has a pair of HD-650's as well.
The other standout? You probably guessed it, the HD650! I have only heard the HD518, HD598, and HD600 until today. And on all of them I heard the ignominious "veil". They have just lacked a true sense of transparency to my ears, and I just didn't get Sennheisers. Well, I can officially say that I am a Sennheiser believer now, after hearing the HD650 on the Lyr! Wow! Everything I had read about this headphone but not quite believed turned out to be true. It is natural sounding. It does have drop-dead amazing mids. It does not sound veiled. It is a forgiving and easy listen, but without sounding boring! - This especially was a surprise. I had until today believed that a smooth sounding headphone could not also be engaging. Well, the HD650 pulls both off, somehow. And, for me this was very important, the bass slam was great! This headphone manages to be a forgiving, easy listen while having the slam and dynamics to engage on even the aggressive rock and metal I love! I don't even know what to say about that - it's something I have not experienced in any other headphone.
I even got to A/B with the HE-500 briefly (on the Lyr), a headphone that I have more familiarity and experience with. And...well, the HD650 honestly sounds more natural. Am I the only one who thinks planars have a strange soundstage presentation? The HD650's soundstage presentation is great! And the mids? Yeah, no comparison for me. The HD650's mids presentation was much more natural, engaging, and enjoyable than the HE-500's. Now I still appreciate the HE-500 for the many things it does so well! But...the HD650, wow. I am seriously considering getting this headphone.
So yeah, I may be joining the ranks in the near future, HD650 owners! I understand now, forgive me it took this long!
Agreed : - ) Soundstage was one of reasons why I sold HE-400 and also those mids on HD650 was much better to my ears.
Now after some time with T1 , I feel like only thing I'am missing with HD650 is more transparent sparky treble. But hey it's different league.
Female volcals is one of best HD650 attributes :) As for soundstage it depends on what you prefer I like forward Grado like style. HD650 isn't that forward, but I'am absolutely happy when I turn volume little higher.
Treble is pretty crazy imo on HE-400, can't stand it at higher volumes and I wasn't able EQ it down. As for mids it just doesn't give me the feeling I'am looking for :(
In the end you just have to hear those headphones to make your opinion.
I've found that all the planars I've auditioned image quite well which is the pinpointing to which you refer. On the other hand they don't seem to produce large soundstages.
its sole purpose is awesome mids and recessed sub bass and treble... maybe you would like he400 or d2000 better as they are all near each other in terms of sound quality but with more bass....
yeah, d7k is the best of denon so that might quench your thirst... also there is another headphone
i think it has more sub bass than the hd650 also and also more treble which means more balanced...
I think that you're looking for the lcd2.2
Beyerdynamic T1 :) Bass impact and just bass overall is amazing on these, SQ is higher than HD650 imo.
But as for HD650 bass ... there is plenty of it, even sub bass, just add little EQ and that's it if you like these headphones.
Hmm...I have not heard the T1 but have owned the dt770/880/990. They all had a V curve so I assumed that the T1 would be similar.
I agree with Flisker about the bass on the 650. But may be plenty of sub bass for us may not be enough for you.
I'm from Singapore too and Hifiman can be found if you head to the Adelphi and look around on the first floor, I remember a shop selling the HE-500 and HE-6. I also have tried the Denon line of Hps and the recessed mids are quite the opposite of the 650's mids. If you're looking for the 650 and wishing for more bass, they respond quite well to an EQ and you can crank the bass up quite a bit before distortion sets in.