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post #11281 of 20131
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Originally Posted by Tyll Hertsens View Post

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Yes, but he will soon place the 600 on the WoF and put the 650 into Stuff We Like. I guess winning the What's the Most Important Headphone in the History of Headphone Enthusiasm? poll necessitated a WoF spot.

I put the HD 650 on the Wall early on because I knew they were great and hadn't done the comparison.  Now that I've had the chance, I find myself preferring the 600.  Add the $100 difference, and I feel it's the better buy. 

 

The poll really didn't have too much to do with the decision as the HD 650 wasn't available as a choice. I was tempted to put headphone into the poll as families. Certainly it makes sense to do the HD 580/600/650 as one choice, same with the Denon Dx000.  But then you have to start thinking about where to stop on the Grados. Anyway in the end I decided to just have single headphones.  I chose the HD 600 because it was around early in the game and probably had more influence as such.

 

I have to admit that the whole reason for the poll was to justify my feeling that the HD 600 was the most important headphone in the hobby. If I'd have put the Beats on there it might have turned out differently.  But the reason for the Beats' importance is just so perverse in my mind that I didn't want it to taint the poll.

 

To remain OT here, I think the HD 650 is a great phone as well, there's not that much difference between the two, and the differences are such that personal taste is the arbiter, not technical performance.

 

What amps do you guys like for the 600/650? Both tube and solid state.

 

The article is a good read Tyll. Good job!

 

I don't begrudge the HD650's dethroning from your WoF. I've not heard the HD600 but have always been curious. I paid $350 for a brand new HD650 (my second) some months ago. The HD600 would have to pop up for significantly less for me to scratch that itch on a whim.

 

It would've been interesting if you'd included the HD650 as a separate option on that poll though. I understand the consideration for other models and where to draw the line. However, the HD600 and HD650 are two distinct camps, a decade old point of discussion that continues to this day (though with less vitriol). You don't see the same lines drawn between Grado or Denon models.

 

Fwiw, I really enjoyed the HD650 from the Bifrost/Lyr stack, especially with some vintage Herleen made Amperex tubes. It's not too shabby either from my current rig -

 

 

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post #11282 of 20131
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Originally Posted by teknikk7 View Post

Just got my HD650 and breaking them in. I am noticing a slight crackle or distortion on the very high frequencies.  Is this normal? It appears like a slight crackle in both earcups. I am using a Woo Audio WA6 and a V-DAC II.

 

Maybe it's the recording or your source? Or it could be a bad cable connection somewhere.

post #11283 of 20131

Tried many recordings. Swapped several cables...

post #11284 of 20131
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Originally Posted by teknikk7 View Post

Just got my HD650 and breaking them in. I am noticing a slight crackle or distortion on the very high frequencies.  Is this normal? It appears like a slight crackle in both earcups. I am using a Woo Audio WA6 and a V-DAC II.

 

It could be the fabric in your earpads moving, as the headphone shifts around your head. Funny as it seems, that's what happens with me. I sometimes notice a slight crackle on my left side, but I realized it was just the sound of the velcro/fabric of the earpads moving, while the headphone slides around and/or adjusts position around the head. 

post #11285 of 20131
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Originally Posted by teknikk7 View Post

Just got my HD650 and breaking them in. I am noticing a slight crackle or distortion on the very high frequencies.  Is this normal? It appears like a slight crackle in both earcups. I am using a Woo Audio WA6 and a V-DAC II.
Sounds like a tube issue. Are the tubes completely warmed up? Have you tried different tubes?
post #11286 of 20131

I actually just got my WA6, I let it burn in over night.  

post #11287 of 20131
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Originally Posted by serious7 View Post

 

You could be feeling placebo. Before anyone tells me I may not have the right source for my 650s... I'm using Lehmann BCL with a seperate DAC. The BCL is known to be designed for sennheisers and especially the 650s.

 

I didn't like the BCL with the HD650. Too veiled and slow. There are better and cheaper amps that synergize better. Offcourse it depends on the dac too.

post #11288 of 20131
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Originally Posted by maarek99 View Post

 

I didn't like the BCL with the HD650. Too veiled and slow. There are better and cheaper amps that synergize better. Offcourse it depends on the dac too.


I don't know what you meant by too veiled and slow. Sennheiser uses the BCL to show case their HD800's and 650s in conventions. Did you own the BCL with DAC built in?

post #11289 of 20131
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Originally Posted by Tyll Hertsens View Post

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What amps do you guys like for the 600/650? Both tube and solid state.

Decware CSP2+ with a little tube rolling....

post #11290 of 20131
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Originally Posted by Tyll Hertsens View Post

 

What amps do you guys like for the 600/650? Both tube and solid state.

 

For me the Bottlehead Crack + Speedball is the sh!t paired with the HD650, beating out the ALO Pan Am and Schiit Lyr handily. I also feel the Crack is better than the Burson Soloist for this headphone, but if you must have SS then the Soloist is a wonderful choice.

post #11291 of 20131
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For me the Bottlehead Crack + Speedball is the sh!t paired with the HD650, beating out the ALO Pan Am and Schiit Lyr handily. I also feel the Crack is better than the Burson Soloist for this headphone, but if you must have SS then the Soloist is a wonderful choice.

 

I love that how often Bottlehead gets recommended. Sometimes I worry on review sites that the sponsors all get great reviews. No one gets a kickback from praising a DIY project...unless, of course, you count the buy-in from doing a DIY. That being said, I hate often Bottlehead gets recommended: I have noooo confidence in my DIY skills. You should see what my entertainment center looks like... 

post #11292 of 20131
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Originally Posted by swmtnbiker View Post

 

For me the Bottlehead Crack + Speedball is the sh!t paired with the HD650, beating out the ALO Pan Am and Schiit Lyr handily. I also feel the Crack is better than the Burson Soloist for this headphone, but if you must have SS then the Soloist is a wonderful choice.

I spent most of the evening swapping out the HD650 and the HD800 with the Crack + Speedball. I paid over $1000 more for the HD800. I am not sure which one I like better. In fact, over the last week, the HD800 has spent a lot more time on the shelf than the HD650.

post #11293 of 20131
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Originally Posted by seacard View Post

I spent most of the evening swapping out the HD650 and the HD800 with the Crack + Speedball. I paid over $1000 more for the HD800. I am not sure which one I like better. In fact, over the last week, the HD800 has spent a lot more time on the shelf than the HD650.

Stop teasing! I may just have to try the Bottlhead! 

post #11294 of 20131
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Originally Posted by seacard View Post

I spent most of the evening swapping out the HD650 and the HD800 with the Crack + Speedball. I paid over $1000 more for the HD800. I am not sure which one I like better. In fact, over the last week, the HD800 has spent a lot more time on the shelf than the HD650.

 

I'd love to give the HD800 a spin sometime, but it's waaaay out of my price range and I'm afraid that I may actually *like* it. Think I'll stick with my $324 HD650 for now... biggrin.gif

post #11295 of 20131

I think the HD800 is undoubtedly the "better" headphone. Very open sounding, great extension, incredible clarity. But it's lacking in musicality and timbre; I wish I knew what it was about some headphones (Grado HP1000 is the best example) that gave them that natural tone. The HD650 is excellent in that regard.

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