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post #1126 of 36836
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Originally Posted by Gradofan2 View Post
I agree... but... for me... it was dependent upon whether I was using the "old" or "new" version of the HD650s, and the set up. The "new" version with the right source and amp... has crystal clear bass, mids and highs, with great detail and speed. The "old" version was slow and muddy.
That's right, mine are new.
post #1127 of 36836
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Originally Posted by aimlink View Post
I like your overall opinion there. The perceived performance is right on. However, I'm willing to contest the interpretation in that doing something really well is emphasizing that aspect. So far, I've found that each can does well at some aspect of the sound by emphasizing it. The HD650's don't really emphasize anything, except if one would wish to call it's characteristic, gentle warmth, a point of emphasis. I personally don't.

Detail tends to be heard better when the sound is emphasized and the HD650's are quite laid back. If you're accustomed to cans that emphasize then you'll not hear details and find the HD650's boring and lacking in ability. I recall switching from a Grado to the HD650's. It's like walking from a bright, into a dark room. However, once your eyes adjust, the darker, or less bright if you will, ambience becomes adequate, relaxing, unfatiguing and special in its own way. The details show up but can and never will be in your face as it would be in a much brighter environment. The HD650's need time to come to you, only if you allow them or are interested. I can well understand if you're not interested, since a brighter environment with more readily perceived clarity may well be a lot more, to your liking. I personally wish for a bit brighter experience than the HD650's. My ALO K702's are perfect with a lot of my music, but brighter than I'd want at times also. A recabled HD650, especially with the SXC cryo cable is very intriguing.

I see you were additionally distracted by that critical factor of comfort. I never had that issue with the HD650's and they remain one of the more comfortable cans I ever owned.
I've had the same experience with them. I find that a good silver recable brightens up the dark Senn signature quite a bit. I've been through a few and I ended up keeping the Headphile BlackSilver V2. The amp will also make a difference. Those who complain that it doesn't have enough detail can match it with a good SS amp to help bring it out.
post #1128 of 36836
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post
To confirm, my HD650 were the new version and there really was no comparison in bass quality with the HD800s...none (same goes for comfort, sound stage, detail retrieval). They are nice all rounders, just not in the same league as the HD800/T1.

Again, the HD650's bass is quite good, just muddy in comparison to the absolute clarity of the HD800. My tube amp was designed with the HD600/HD650 in mind and a great match for it.

I actually preferred the bass quality of the K701/2 to the HD650; although I did prefer the overall HD650 bass presentation.
My experience has almost always matched yours, but here I'll have to disagree. The HD800 has better bass quality than the HD650, but not by a large margin. Try the HD650 on good solid-state and you'll know what I'm talking about. I've tried your amp and other tube amps (WA6) and found that they definitely didn't control bass like good solid-state amps did.
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Yes...

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Originally Posted by ldaustin View Post
Does anyone know how long has the new version been in production. Is there a visible difference between the 2 versions?
Most made after about 12/07 were the "new" version with white metalic looking material covering the driver baffles, rather than the black silk material.
post #1130 of 36836
hey gradofan youre back,
Havent seen you post in a while
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post #1132 of 36836
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Originally Posted by Nachkebia View Post
Wow, perfect explanation how I feel about HD650 and all this with inadequate amp for it


A great DAC and Amp both work like glasses in that relatively dim environment. I can recall when I first got glasses, how they worked especially well in a room with borderline lighting. Clarity within a not too bright environment is gorgeous for me. Just what I'd want. However, there are those who will wish to come in and pull the curtains in frustration, wanting to lighten up the room. These are the Grado fans. I love the brightness but it's not what I'd want when relaxing or doing the long runs.
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Originally Posted by donlin View Post
It just goes to prove that everybody needs to listen themselves to know for sure. I totally disagree with this assessment of bass quality.
Out of curiosity, have you ever tried the K701/2's and if so, what did you think?
post #1134 of 36836
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Originally Posted by Shahrose View Post
My experience has almost always matched yours, but here I'll have to disagree. The HD800 has better bass quality than the HD650, but not by a large margin. Try the HD650 on good solid-state and you'll know what I'm talking about. I've tried your amp and other tube amps (WA6) and found that they definitely didn't control bass like good solid-state amps did.
I've tried the HD650s (new version) on my buddy's B22 and I still thought that the quality of the bass (while nice) was not in the same league. That's not to say again that I found it poor, that's far from the truth...just not as good. Maybe not by a large margin, but a good margin.

As well, I preferred the HD650s (and all cans except for the K701/2) with tubes, so that may be just my preferences showing through.
post #1135 of 36836

"Fell Off The Wagon"

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Originally Posted by donunus View Post
hey gradofan youre back,
Havent seen you post in a while
Yeah... I was in a rehab 12 step program to kick my headfi addiction...

Just "fell off the wagon" for a bit.
post #1136 of 36836
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post
As well, I preferred the HD650s (and all cans except for the K701/2) with tubes, so that may be just my preferences showing through.
That's an interesting comment, because in theory you would expect tubes to suit the 702 (adding a bit of weight) and definitely not suit the 650 (adding weight it doesn't need, and not adding the SS sharpness it needs). Yet your experience is the opposite.
post #1137 of 36836
Actually it makes perfectly good sense. Tube amps can really deliver really good voltage swings to power headphones, but as the K701s are only 64 ohms, they really need current to properly power them and this is where SS amps have the advantage.

The general rule of thumb is: SS for low impedance cans and Tubes for 100+ ohm headphones.

My general rule of thumb: Tubes for everything except for the K701/2. While they do work well, I always have been able to find a better sound with a cheaper SS amp.

Cheers,
Peter
post #1138 of 36836
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Originally Posted by aimlink View Post
Out of curiosity, have you ever tried the K701/2's and if so, what did you think?
I did own a 701 for a while and thought they were awful. For many o f the same reasons I could not love the HD800's only MUCH worse.
post #1139 of 36836
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post
Actually it makes perfectly good sense. Tube amps can really deliver really good voltage swings to power headphones, but as the K701s are only 64 ohms, they really need current to properly power them and this is where SS amps have the advantage.

The general rule of thumb is: SS for low impedance cans and Tubes for 100+ ohm headphones.

My general rule of thumb: Tubes for everything except for the K701/2. While they do work well, I always have been able to find a better sound with a cheaper SS amp.

Cheers,
Peter
I agree. I heard the K702 with a GLite and loved them... not so much with a WA2, although they were ok. The tube amp, however sounded really great with my HD650.
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Hi everyone! I have them and love them without any amping but am looking to get a cheap tube amp to make them even better, could you recommend a few?

And by cheap, I mean cheap, the lowest of the low end amps. ~$150. Now I know 'YOU WON'T GET THE MOST OUT OF THEM BLAH BLAH BLAH', I've heard that so many times. But you know what, I'm liking them without any amping, so I think I'll live them even more with a cheap tube amp. So, which cheap tube amps are a good match?
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