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post #1096 of 38362
Its funny....something i just noticed.
When the MB Quart 55X was found at shoppes NOS and were selling on here like 2 or 3 years ago, the first week everyone bought them up like hotcakes saying theyre so awesome for $30, and such a great buy because they originally went for over $100 when they were New Stock, rather than New Old Stock.
Then after they couldnt be found NOS anymore in shoppes, everyone started selling them saying they sounded like rubbish, but for like $40-50....because as they got scarce in shoppes and people were ordering them like crazy, the "supply and demand" thing happened and stores raised prices for awhile.

Ok Paul, what the heck does this freekin have to do with Sennheiser HD650's???!!!
This is a 650 thread for freek-sakes!!!

Well, i just got 650s finally, and ive had my MB Quart 55X since the NOS craze....and i was thinking how much these 650's sounded like the 55X from memory....so i compared them.
Ok, i havent used a great amp with them yet, so i didnt test the scaling with a home amp....but on my Zune with C&C Box +......they sound almost the same on some songs, and on others i notice the 650 has more bass depth, and the 55X has more highs......but theyre very similar. So i just find it so funny how many people sold off the 55x that said they suck, and some of them are 650 owners....lol.
So for people who have some hearing loss in the high frequency spectrum and find the 650 too veiled, or if youre a young person or in college and dont have the money for 650s.......find yourself MB Quart 55x , and for the most part youll be pretty darn close.

Now as i said, i didnt check them out on a $1000+ tube amp etc., but someone that cant afford a 650 wont have a $1000+ tube amp anyway, and would be happy with a 55x on their equipment.

I think peoples ears are affected by their emotions alot.
But im still way happy i got these 650s and them and my 55X arent going anywhere.
I think 55x are following descriptions ive read about 600s and 701s....but i havent compared yet.
post #1097 of 38362
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The HD650s sound great with the Compass fed via USB on Foobar WASAPI. I have to say this is much much more convenient than using ASIO.

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post #1098 of 38362
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Originally Posted by Ruffle View Post
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The HD650s sound great with the Compass fed via USB on Foobar WASAPI. I have to say this is much much more convenient than using ASIO.

If your rig can run it, GET WINDOWS 7. It's awesome, bash Microsoft if you want, but they came out with an AWESOME OS with Windows 7. I am loving it.
Sweet! How much???
post #1099 of 38362
Anyone here tried their HD650 with ALO Audio's SXC Cryo cable? When I owned mine, I used it with a Cardas Cable. I've been missing them and am considering going with the ALO cable since they have done so much for my K702's.
post #1100 of 38362
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Originally Posted by aimlink View Post
Anyone here tried their HD650 with ALO Audio's SXC Cryo cable? When I owned mine, I used it with a Cardas Cable. I've been missing them and am considering going with the ALO cable since they have done so much for my K702's.
I'm close, but not quite there. I've used, and still own, the Cardas, SAA HD650 Equinox and ALO Jena Cryo Senn Replacement cables. With the HD650, I followed the sequence: stock HD650 cable, Cardas, SAA HD650, ALO Jena Cryo. With each cable change, my own assessment is that the additional sonic information let through by each successive cable was well worth its price. I use my Cardas on my HD600's, and my ALO on the HD650's. The SAA mostly sits on my cable shelf. I break it out every now and then when someone asks for a comparison of the SAA to something else I own. Larry, Head-Fi's "headphone addict", has compared Jena Cryo wire with the ALO SXC Cryo wire using a pair of Line-Out Docks he had, and he posted preferring the ALO SXC to the Jena. If I'm remembering correctly, to him, the SXC sounded more transparent. I believe you can find his post on his comparison in the thread about the ALO SXC wire in the ALO Premier Sponsors Forum.

For the HD650, to my ears, the ALO 18AWG Jena Cryo cable is a few WOW!!! factors above the Cardas cable in terms of how much more of the sound it allows to be heard through the phones. And, the HD650 are really capable of using the extra sonic information to produce a much more satisfying listen - quite a bit closer to being in the immediate presence of the instruments and musicians making the music. For the HD600's, however, I prefer the Cardas cable. The Cardas cable, for the HD650's is, to my ears as well, a sufficient step up from the stock cable as to make it worth its price.
post #1101 of 38362
I recall A/B'ing the Cardas with the stock and wasn't particularly impressed. I already knew that some differences need to grow on you for you to really appreciate them. Still, I didn't hear that much difference with the Cardas. I went along with the SXC Cryo for the K702's and I was stunned. After my experience with the Cardas cable, I was already pretty much on the 'cables don't make a difference' brigade. Not quite a hopeless zealot with it since I actually got the ALO K702's. I'm now slapping myself, since I'd have spent more and gotten a cable upgrade that wired both drivers directly.

Makes me wonder how a recabled HD650 would compare with its bigger brother. For those who may start sitting forward with this proposition with a 'how dare you and that there's no contest'... I have a huge 'YAWN'.
post #1102 of 38362
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Originally Posted by aimlink View Post
I recall A/B'ing the Cardas with the stock and wasn't particularly impressed. I already knew that some differences need to grow on you for you to really appreciate them. Still, I didn't hear that much difference with the Cardas. I went along with the SXC Cryo for the K702's and I was stunned. After my experience with the Cardas cable, I was already pretty much on the 'cables don't make a difference' brigade. Not quite a hopeless zealot with it since I actually got the ALO K702's. I'm now slapping myself, since I'd have spent more and gotten a cable upgrade that wired both drivers directly.

Makes me wonder how a recabled HD650 would compare with its bigger brother. For those who may start sitting forward with this proposition with a 'how dare you and that there's no contest'... I have a huge 'YAWN'.
You have a very good point as some people actually do prefer a recabled 650 over the 800.
post #1103 of 38362
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Originally Posted by aimlink View Post
I recall A/B'ing the Cardas with the stock and wasn't particularly impressed. I already knew that some differences need to grow on you for you to really appreciate them. Still, I didn't hear that much difference with the Cardas. I went along with the SXC Cryo for the K702's and I was stunned. After my experience with the Cardas cable, I was already pretty much on the 'cables don't make a difference' brigade. Not quite a hopeless zealot with it since I actually got the ALO K702's. I'm now slapping myself, since I'd have spent more and gotten a cable upgrade that wired both drivers directly.

Makes me wonder how a recabled HD650 would compare with its bigger brother. For those who may start sitting forward with this proposition with a 'how dare you and that there's no contest'... I have a huge 'YAWN'.
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Originally Posted by fenixdown110 View Post
You have a very good point as some people actually do prefer a recabled 650 over the 800.
I have a recabled HD650 (current: DHC "Blackout" previous: Blue Dragon V3) and the HD800 and I still think the HD800 is technically superior. The difference isn't as huge as it may seem from impressions here, but it is clear. That being said, I still love the HD650 and personally, I don't think the HD800 are worth $1000 more. The HD650 completely immerse you in the music and do so without being fatiguing or leaving you wanting more in any area. They are one of the few cans to do so IME. They don't do anything wrong and scale really high (as has been repeated to death). To put it another way, if someone is driving the HD650s with low-end gear and is planning to upgrade his/her setup, I say upgrade the source/amp instead of buying new headphones. You'll be glad you did.
After trying out a lot of headphones recently (including ones not in my profile such as the HF-2, STAX 4040 etc), I've come to the conclusion that the HD650 (and HD600) are the best value in high-end headphones.
As an aside I think the KSC-75 are the best value among lower-end cans.
post #1104 of 38362
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Originally Posted by sbulack View Post
For the HD650, to my ears, the ALO 18AWG Jena Cryo cable is a few WOW!!! factors above the Cardas cable in terms of how much more of the sound it allows to be heard through the phones.
I don't have the luxury of comparing various HD650 replacement cables. But having used Jena 18AWG cable for a year or so, I think it surpasses many other headphones I heard in a meet. Few other equally impressive setups at the meet that I have heard are high-end electrostatic. The matching performance of Jena-Senn is probably contributed by the DV337, which was tuned for HD650 by the maker. I don't think such setup is anything near best, but for the money, it is imo more than reasonable. As usual, these personal opinions are just based on my very limited experiences.
post #1105 of 38362
I auditioned HD800 today and listening fatigue occured within 15 minutes - technically superior - YES. Do I like it over my HD650 with Cayin tube am - NO

Also auditioned Omega2 with Valve amp - still prefer my 650.

I am starting to get the feeling that the 650 is not upgradeable - it is the best at what it does - give out the tube love.
post #1106 of 38362
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Originally Posted by SP Wild View Post
I auditioned HD800 today and listening fatigue occured within 15 minutes - technically superior - YES. Do I like it over my HD650 with Cayin tube am - NO

Also auditioned Omega2 with Valve amp - still prefer my 650.

I am starting to get the feeling that the 650 is not upgradeable - it is the best at what it does - give out the tube love.
I couldn't agree more. If the 650's sound appeals to you, there is nothing that does it better. I recently got a Cary Xciter which takes the 650's to even new levels for me.
post #1107 of 38362
OMG!!! this product seems amazing - remote control!!! you bastard - I am so jealous. You didn't feel a 2700 dollar amp was being under utilised by a 500 dollar phone?

- still can't get over the remote, you bastard.

- it is a crime to not be able to adjust volume remotely.
post #1108 of 38362

You May Want to Try...

If you like speed, clarity, dynamics and crisp detail (more of a Gradoish sound)... you may want to try the Revelation Audio Labs Cryo-Silver Cable. I've tried many different cables... and... I found that one brought out those qualities the best in my Senns. While, the copper cables I've tried tended to have a bit of a warmer, heavier sound.
post #1109 of 38362
I just got my hd650's in the mail today. Been listening to them with both music and in games.

I do like the sound, I dont know whether I prefer it yet or not to my dt880, but they are at least comparable.

A quick heads up review.

Being driven by a fully upgraded WA2.

Most immediate difference between the hd650s and the dt880s is that the hd650 have a much more forward presentation. I wouldnt say the mids are bumped compared to the dt880s but they definately are much more forward. I quite enjoy the slightly more laid back nature of the dt880. However don't mistake me for saying that the hd650 is aggressive, my ms-pros are aggressive on my wa2 too much so, for my taste.

There is a nice snap that I don't get from my dt880. Drums sound a bit more convincing as a result.

Also, perhaps of the more foward mids, the hd650 seem to have better detail retrival.

One area that I do prefer on the dt880 is that bass presence seems a little better.

Happy with the purchase so far though
post #1110 of 38362
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Originally Posted by SP Wild View Post
OMG!!! this product seems amazing - remote control!!! you bastard - I am so jealous. You didn't feel a 2700 dollar amp was being under utilised by a 500 dollar phone?

- still can't get over the remote, you bastard.

- it is a crime to not be able to adjust volume remotely.
It is an amazing product. The amp is definitely not under utilized. Before getting it I had spent 6 months with the D7000, then 3 months with the HD 800, the a month with the PS1000. I am very confident that for me the HD650 is the best at providing musical enjoyment. Also I paid $2000.00 for mine at Music Direct because it was a demo.
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