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post #10591 of 18466
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Originally Posted by Aerocraft67 View Post

 

I think a crossfeed sounds worthwhile, which is a primary motivation for balanced output, but it's a really huge step economically. Putting aside DIY cables, XLR cables for the HD-650 that I've found are $275–$300. That's a big expense for a $350–$500 set of headphones. A Mjolnir amp will set you back $750, never mind a DAC. That puts the headphone proportion of the investment below 33% (approaching 25% with a decent DAC in the mix), which seems awfully low, given that even Schiit will tell you to allocate most of your head-fi investment to transducers. Put another way, you'd have to quadruple your investment in the 650 to adopt balanced output. 

 

Now, with the HD-800, the proportion comes back into line, with about 50% of spend on headphones, including a DAC. So if you have your eye on eventually upgrading from the 650 to the 800 (or similarly-priced 'phones), it could make sense to use the 650s with balanced output in the meantime, as I'm sure they'll deliver the benefit of the crossfeed. Still, using the 650 paired with a Dragonfly or Modi/Magni stack as a baseline, you'd have to quadruple the investment to arrive at HD-800s with balanced kit upstream, an outlay of more than two grand. On the bright side, for three grand, you'd have a an awfully high-performing head-fi rig, leaving little on the table before moving into cost-no-object territory. 

Um, Crossfeed?  and yes, my plan is to get the hd800's (or the like) in the future and run them balanced...  most likely with the mjolnir

Thanks for the input by  the way.

post #10592 of 18466

What do you guys think about this article? It concludes that HD 555 and 650 are almost identical in performance.

 

http://www.headphoneinfo.com/content/Sennheiser-HD-650-Headphones-Review-878/Sennheiser-HD-555-Comparison.htm
 

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Originally Posted by serious7 View Post

What do you guys think about this article? It concludes that HD 555 and 650 are almost identical in performance.

http://www.headphoneinfo.com/content/Sennheiser-HD-650-Headphones-Review-878/Sennheiser-HD-555-Comparison.htm

 

Coming from an HD555, that's why I'm going for the Hifiman...
post #10594 of 18466

But, but, what do your ears tell you...

 

"Most of their advantages come in the form of subjective qualities, like clarity and a larger, more open soundstage."

 

As if not every aspect of this hobby is truly subjective...


Edited by paradoxper - 2/4/13 at 8:37pm
post #10595 of 18466
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Originally Posted by serious7 View Post

What do you guys think about this article? It concludes that HD 555 and 650 are almost identical in performance.

 

http://www.headphoneinfo.com/content/Sennheiser-HD-650-Headphones-Review-878/Sennheiser-HD-555-Comparison.htm
 

I think of the goosebumps that I got the first time I heard the 650s on a decent amp,  and how no matter what else I buy my 650s still stay in my rotation of cans.

 

And then I think about back in the day when I owned the 555 thinking the were a bit better then my Bose..................

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Coming from an HD555, that's why I'm going for the Hifiman...

Well HiFiMAN headphones have terrible measured performance. . . 

 

The graphs on Innnerfidelity show a huge difference in the distortion in the bass at least. 

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Originally Posted by Fearless1 View Post

I think of the goosebumps that I got the first time I heard the 650s on a decent amp,  and how no matter what else I buy my 650s still stay in my rotation of cans.

 

And then I think about back in the day when I owned the 555 thinking the were a bit better then my Bose..................

I own both the hd 555 and hd 650 powered by the lehmann BCL amp. Both sound incredibly similar. I'm not the only one who felt this either on this forum. I've had one member here msg me saying that they both sound the same too. Can anyone point to me any "high quality music" that can help me find a difference between 555 and 650s?


Edited by serious7 - 2/4/13 at 9:25pm
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Originally Posted by serious7 View Post

What do you guys think about this article? It concludes that HD 555 and 650 are almost identical in performance.

 

http://www.headphoneinfo.com/content/Sennheiser-HD-650-Headphones-Review-878/Sennheiser-HD-555-Comparison.htm
 


HD555 is a good set of headphones. HD595 is even better.

post #10599 of 18466

That sounds like the first two lines of a song. tongue.gif

post #10600 of 18466
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Wait a minute...what? You found a certain pair of headphones a certain way, so, you ruled out ANOTHER pair of headphones?

 

Come on, you know what I mean. Denon D2000 has a U-shaped sound signature as does the HE-400. If I found the D2000 bright then I know this bright sound signature is not for me, ergo I ruled out similar headphones like the HE-400. I don't live in places where you can just test out headphones any time you want, so I have to go purely by user testimony and reviews. 

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Originally Posted by Fearless1 View Post

I think of the goosebumps that I got the first time I heard the 650s on a decent amp,  and how no matter what else I buy my 650s still stay in my rotation of cans.

 

And then I think about back in the day when I owned the 555 thinking the were a bit better then my Bose..................

 

I got those same goosebumps, when I put mine on and knew that I'd never sell them. They just hit too many checkboxes for me, the most important of which is that I enjoy the crap out of my music each and every time I put them on. wink.gif

post #10602 of 18466
I've been enjoying my 650s for a couple of weeks now. It was a close run between the Momentum and 650 when it came to choosing, bettering the SR325is,PSB M4U, HD600. I have to admit the 'new tech' is apparent in the Momentum with their great transient response where the 650 can seem slow but they sound fuller and more natural to me. I also heard the HD700 as a comparison and helped me decide. Unfortunately I didn't get to hear the Q701...but still want to out of curiosity. The 650 sounded that right Icould buy with confidence.

Now I'm close to ordering Toxic Cables Silver Widow cable, waiting on some feedback from other forum members. It's expensive but better cables can make a huge difference elsewhere in hifi so I'm hoping this applies to headphones too.
post #10603 of 18466
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Originally Posted by dmudan View Post

Now I'm close to ordering Toxic Cables Silver Widow cable, waiting on some feedback from other forum members. It's expensive but better cables can make a huge difference elsewhere in hifi so I'm hoping this applies to headphones too.

 

evil_smiley.gif you know you want to......

post #10604 of 18466
Yeah I like getting the most out of my gear.. smily_headphones1.gif... Though await more positive feedback..
post #10605 of 18466
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Originally Posted by serious7 View Post

What do you guys think about this article? It concludes that HD 555 and 650 are almost identical in performance.

http://www.headphoneinfo.com/content/Sennheiser-HD-650-Headphones-Review-878/Sennheiser-HD-555-Comparison.htm

 

Honestly those graphs are quite different... just the 20Hz-100Hz region alone is what counts for so much of the difference in bass impact.

 

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Originally Posted by serious7 View Post

I own both the hd 555 and hd 650 powered by the lehmann BCL amp. Both sound incredibly similar. I'm not the only one who felt this either on this forum. I've had one member here msg me saying that they both sound the same too. Can anyone point to me any "high quality music" that can help me find a difference between 555 and 650s?

 

I owned the HD555 and HD 595 before.  Yes all these cans share the "sennheiser house sound" but I found those two shared much more similarities than the HD 650.  When I initially got the HD 650 and plugged it in fresh from the box, I must admit it was a bit underwhelming... the bass was more substantial and punchy, but I did feel like the mids and highs were recessed compared to the HD555/595 and wondered "am I finally hearing the infamous sennheiser veil???".  However, after a good 100 hours of burn in time the HD 650 just opened up and the sound became just so much more coherent than the HD 555.  The mids were magically smooth... the bass warm and enveloping, the detailing refined, trebles accurate but not harsh, the weight and presence of the music is more intimate...... I could go on all day...

 

IMHO, the HD555/595 just isn't in the same category as the HD 650 which really did everything better in terms of music... only point that I would give to the HD 555/595 over the HD 650 is the soundstage and 3D imaging.  Which would make the HD 555/595 my choice for gaming... for better directional sense.  Admittedly... the HD555 (or 558 now) can be had for less than half the price of the HD 650... so the obvious budget choice??? HD 555/558... but if price is not the real issue here, then the HD 650 is still significantly superior IMO.  Do I regret upgrading to the HD 650 from the HD 555 & 595?  NOT A CHANCE smily_headphones1.gif!

 

What source are you using?  player?  bitrate?  those kinds of bottlenecks might be keeping you from hearing the difference.

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