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post #10216 of 19181
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Originally Posted by fuzzybaffy View Post

ROFL on the video.

Anybody else think, that given the numerous amount of people who have the "I purchased a Sennheiser HD-650/600, but I sold it because of the veil, but then when I purchased it again, the veil was gone" experience, that the Sennheiser "veil" is just a mental thing?

This isn't to put down anybody who has such experiences, to imply anything about their mental state... But, it seems to me, that the "veil" people say they hear is mostly a relative thing.

Because for me, personally, I know I've had some "oh wow, this HD-650 DOES have a veil" moments... but this was right after I switched to the HD-650 from another headphone.

But when I pick up the HD-650 without having listened to any headphones right before, the "veil" seems gone.

It seems it's more an issue where people get used to one pair of headphones, and then when they switch over the HD-650, it seems as if, relatively, there is a veil. This seems like a more likely explanation for the "veil", than Sennheiser changing their headphones mid-production. Because, AFAIK, the criticisms of Sennheiser's veil has been around since the HD-580, and the HD-600. So whatever it is that causes people to believe there is such a veil is by actual design (ie. is done on purpose), and not an issue with manufacturing.

 

 

That's because the ones with the white screens has no veil..


Edited by preproman - 1/12/13 at 5:31am
post #10217 of 19181

Thank you, Prep. For those saying the or your HD650's don't have a veil, duh!

   Try out the older versions. There is definitely a veil.


Edited by paradoxper - 1/12/13 at 12:49pm
post #10218 of 19181
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Originally Posted by paradoxper View Post

Screens I believe. But thank you. For those saying the or your HD650's don't have a veil, duh!

 

Try out the older versions. There is definitely a veil.

 

 

DUH??

 

Yeah the screens ...  

post #10219 of 19181

I Don't find the HD650 to be all that much of a Jack of All Trades deal.

My #1 headphone for EDM though.. and since i'm going through an EDM phase at the moment, i am to conclude, my favourite headphone as of present ;)

post #10220 of 19181
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Originally Posted by paradoxper View Post

Screens I believe. But thank you. For those saying the or your HD650's don't have a veil, duh!

Try out the older versions. There is definitely a veil.
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post


That's because the ones with the white screens has no veil..

Are you guys sure? I'm asking if it isn't just a mental thing... Because if you're comparing the black screened vs. white screened versions, which were made at different times, presumably you're comparing them at different times as well, which means you're going by memory. Did you guys do side-by-side A/B comparisons?

Also, it looks like to me you guys didn't read the rest of my post, given you didn't address this part of my experience with the "veil":
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Originally Posted by fuzzybaffy View Post

Because for me, personally, I know I've had some "oh wow, this HD-650 DOES have a veil" moments... but this was right after I switched to the HD-650 from another headphone.

But when I pick up the HD-650 without having listened to any headphones right before, the "veil" seems gone.

Edited by fuzzybaffy - 1/12/13 at 10:47am
post #10221 of 19181
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Originally Posted by fuzzybaffy View Post

If you guys say so. =P

It seems you didn't read the entirety of my post, given what I wrote about my experiences with the "veil". But... ok.

Nope. You actually didn't specify about owning the silver or black screened HD650's,

you pretty much just generalized your statement with owning other headphones and then

coming back to it.

 

 

Spoiler! (Click to show)

Anybody else think, that given the numerous amount of people who have the "I purchased a Sennheiser HD-650/600, but I sold it because of the veil, but then when I purchased it again, the veil was gone" experience, that the Sennheiser "veil" is just a mental thing?

This isn't to put down anybody who has such experiences, to imply anything about their mental state... But, it seems to me, that the "veil" people say they hear is mostly a relative thing.

Because for me, personally, I know I've had some "oh wow, this HD-650 DOES have a veil" moments... but this was right after I switched to the HD-650 from another headphone.

But when I pick up the HD-650 without having listened to any headphones right before, the "veil" seems gone.

 

 

If you haven't heard both, then you shouldn't speak to whether or not there really is a veil.

If you have, then by all means, share your thoughts.

 

But really all this is meaningless, Sennheiser fixed the issue and has made many, many

people happy 650 owners.

post #10222 of 19181
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Nope. You actually didn't specify about owning the silver or black screened HD650's,
you pretty much just generalized your statement with owning other headphones and then
coming back to it.

Spoiler! (Click to show)
Anybody else think, that given the numerous amount of people who have the "I purchased a Sennheiser HD-650/600, but I sold it because of the veil, but then when I purchased it again, the veil was gone" experience, that the Sennheiser "veil" is just a mental thing?




This isn't to put down anybody who has such experiences, to imply anything about their mental state... But, it seems to me, that the "veil" people say they hear is mostly a relative thing.




Because for me, personally, I know I've had some "oh wow, this HD-650 DOES have a veil" moments... but this was right after I switched to the HD-650 from another headphone.




But when I pick up the HD-650 without having listened to any headphones right before, the "veil" seems gone.


If you haven't heard both, then you shouldn't speak to whether or not there really is a veil.
If you have, then by all means, share your thoughts.

But really all this is meaningless, Sennheiser fixed the issue and has made many, many
people happy 650 owners.

Hold on now... =D

I have the silver screened headphones. My original post regarding this matter was presented in an open-minded manner; I wasn't making blind assumptions. Notice how I asked questions, and how I tried to ask for other people's experiences.

Did you, or did you not do a side-by-side A/B comparison?
Edited by fuzzybaffy - 1/12/13 at 10:53am
post #10223 of 19181
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Originally Posted by fuzzybaffy View Post


Hold on now... =D

I have the silver screened headphones. My original post regarding this matter was presented in an opened manner; I wasn't making blind assumptions.

Did you, or did you not do a side-by-side A/B comparison?

It's still open for discussion. biggrin.gif

 

Which makes me wonder do you have the dark screened version as well?

 

And yes, I have "A'B'ed" them even though that's a completely flawed comparison.

 

The difference was quite stark to my ears. Completely recessed and flat. It sounded weak and not sweet like the

650 I know.

 

I just want to point out, my point was most who say their 650's aren't veiled are correct, they're not.

But that's because the issue has been fixed. Meaning, past tense. That's all.

 

Now if you have heard a dark screened version and don't feel they're veiled, I'd be surprised, but who actually knows

how many units were affected.

 

Similarly to the LCD-3 first couple of batches needing some RMA for a veil.

post #10224 of 19181
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Originally Posted by fuzzybaffy View Post
Did you guys do side-by-side A/B comparisons?

 

Have you?  

 

"If" there ever was a veil, it was on the earlier versions with the black screens.  I do know I hear no "veil"  with the ones I have.

 

I use to own the black screens - I didn't notice a veil with them either - like I did with the very early LCD-3.


Edited by preproman - 1/12/13 at 11:03am
post #10225 of 19181
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Originally Posted by paradoxper View Post

It's still open for discussion. biggrin.gif


Which makes me wonder do you have the dark screened version as well?

And yes, I have "A'B'ed" them even though that's a completely flawed comparison.

The difference was quite stark to my ears. Completely recessed and flat. It sounded weak and not sweet like the
650 I know.

I just want to point out, my point was most who say their 650's aren't veiled are correct, they're not.
But that's because the issue has been fixed. Meaning, past tense. That's all.

Now if you have heard a dark screened version and don't feel they're veiled, I'd be surprised, but who actually knows
how many units were affected.

Similarly to the LCD-3 first couple of batches needing some RMA for a veil.

Right. I generally don't think my HD-650's are "veiled" either. But sometimes I do... when I come back to them after using another pair of headphones. So this made me wonder if all the criticisms regarding Sennheiser's "veil" was all mental.

No, I've never tried the black screened HD-650.

Have you tried the HD-580, and the HD-600? Back when the HD-580 was around people complained about the veil, too. I used to own a pair over ten years ago, and even then I didn't think they had a veil.
Edited by fuzzybaffy - 1/12/13 at 11:05am
post #10226 of 19181
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Originally Posted by fuzzybaffy View Post


Right. I generally don't think my HD-650's are "veiled" either. But sometimes I do... when I come back to them after using another pair of headphones. So this made me wonder if all the criticisms regarding Sennheiser's "veil" was all mental.

No, I've never tried the black screened HD-650.

Have you tried the HD-580, and the HD-600? Back when the HD-580 was around people complained about the veil, too. I used to own a pair over ten years ago, and even then I didn't think they had a veil.

 

 

Have you ever heard ant headphone with a veil?  Would you know it when you hear it?

post #10227 of 19181
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

Have you?  

"If" there ever was a veil, it was on the earlier versions with the black screens.  I do know I hear no "veil"  with the ones I have.

I use to own the black screens - I didn't notice a veil with them either - like I did with the very early LCD-3.

Right. The original point of my post was to ask, "are the people who say the black screened ones have a veil, only saying so because of mental reasons?"

I don't think there is a veil on the HD-650. But I know there are a lot of people who say the older versions (the black screened ones) do. So, I'm just wondering if the people who say the black screened versions are "veiled" are only saying so because of superstitious/mental reasons.
Edited by fuzzybaffy - 1/12/13 at 11:14am
post #10228 of 19181
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Originally Posted by fuzzybaffy View Post


Right. I generally don't think my HD-650's are "veiled" either. But sometimes I do... when I come back to them after using another pair of headphones. So this made me wonder if all the criticisms regarding Sennheiser's "veil" was all mental.

No, I've never tried the black screened HD-650.

Have you tried the HD-580, and the HD-600? Back when the HD-580 was around people complained about the veil, too. I used to own the HD-580 over ten years ago, and even then I didn't think they had a veil.

They are dark (laid back) so yea, I can see them seeming that way if switching from a more "engaging" or detailed can.

 

But again I am focusing on the clearly changed (at least by screen color) HD650's. Which seem more alive (white screens).

 

I wouldn't bother unless you're curious about potentially hearing a really crappy headphone. (at that time).

 

I've heard the HD600, however I can't speak to it's veiled or unveiled iteration. I never cared much for it to begin with

and so I can not say whether or not it was affected.

 

And again, no clue as to how many units were even affected. However there was a driver change (for a good reason) one would surmise.


Edited by paradoxper - 1/12/13 at 11:11am
post #10229 of 19181
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They are dark (laid back) so yea, I can see them seeming that way if switching from a more "engaging" or detailed can.

But again I am focusing on the clearly changed (at least by screen color) HD650's. Which seem more alive (white screens).

I wouldn't bother unless you're curious about potentially hearing a really crappy headphone. (at that time).

I've heard the HD600, however I can't speak to it's veiled or unveiled iteration. I never cared much for it to begin with
and so I can not say whether or not it was affected.

And again, no clue as to how many units were even affected. However there was a driver change (for a good reason) one would surmise.

Ok. I gotcha.
post #10230 of 19181

I never feel HD650 has the veil. Sometimes, I even feel my HD650 is a little bright.

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