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post #14086 of 17021

Update on amped HD650! And it's a bit iffy on amping. I completely blame my Little Dot MK III. With my HD580 it had a really black background, no humming that I could hear. Now with matched stock 6N6P tubes I can hear a bit of humming at higher volumes. It doesn't switch sides if I switch tubes around. Good news is that I only turn the volume to 10 now instead of 20 like with the HD580. At this level I can't hear it but if I want to crank a favorite song, which happens from time to time, I can start to hear it very faintly. The built in headphone amp of the onboard PC Realtek 892 seems to have a slightly blacker background. Audio quality wise it's a pretty even honestly, which is slightly surprising. The Little Dot MK III has a fun musical tone to it, straight from my computer had a more analytical sound. I don't mean that in a bad way, the tubes just seem to bring emotion to the sound. Everything, bass, mids, and highs, seems smoother, more rounded, or coherent with the each other through the Little Dot. Through the PC it was just all accuracy and not much for the life or feeling that stirs emotions while listening to music. Some songs had great highs but would detract from the mids for example. Honestly I like both types of sound signatures. I just want to get higher quality amps that can present the best of these two worlds. Sometimes you want to hear every tiny note with extreme accuracy and sometimes you want to put on your favorite songs and just loose yourself in the music and forget the world. That's kind of been my findings with most modern solid state vs. vacuum tube amps. 

 

LET THE SHOPPING AND RESEARCH BEGIN!!! (Who am I kidding I've been shopping and researching since before I bought the HD650, haha!) 

post #14087 of 17021

Thanks for the impressions Anavel0! Blegh, sounds like the jump in sound quality wasn't that impressive. Guess the only solution is to throw more money at the problem.

post #14088 of 17021

A couple things to add though. I still don't have 24 hours of play time on these headphones yet. They could still have some burn in time. (I have noticed a change in bass. It's still great but not smack in your face above all else.) Also, I got my Little Dot MK III around 5~6 years ago, long enough I can't remember. It's only rev 1. With rev 2, if my memory is correct, you can roll in 6H30 power tubes and really wake this little amp up. There are two resistors that I'd have to change on my rev 1 if I wanted to do that. On top of that I'm using new 6N6P tubes that I just got, so they probably have some more burn in time too.

 

But hey, a couple $100 USD more and you're in to nice Woo, La Figaro/Dark Voice territory, even the Little Dot MK IV which comes with 6H30 tubes stock, and ankles deep in Schiit. Just to name a few options. 

post #14089 of 17021

morning all

i have opened a new topic in help and raccomandation threads and i have a clear idea that i would to buy now...i want this fantastic headphone HD650!!! but I think that I will have some problems because I have a portable setup now: ipod classic 5.5g rockboxed + fiio e11 (i utilize this setup for akg q460).. so I would to know which solutions are the best to drive HD650..a portable setup or a desktop setup (i will listen music in my bedroom).. I have only ipod as source because i'm new in this world.. my budget is around 400/500 euro not much...

so can you help me? suggest me a desktop and a portable setup please.

ps: i read desktop solution schiit valhalla...or nuforce icon hdp...or violectric v100...but i don't know who is the best for me and my budget.

Thank of all and sorry for my english.

post #14090 of 17021

If you want to keep the budget low, consider:

 

1. Asgard 2 plus odac...this is a solid combo and the hd650 would sound very good on this setup, but this hp does "scale" quite well with better gear. You'll just have to decide how much to spend. 

 

2. Next I'd upgrade the dac if you want to spend more. The bifrost is very good. Uber is an appreciable upgrade for $70 more over stock.

 

3. Lastly, the lyr will also improve on the A2. You'll get more warmth and punch. Mids will have better tone. Slight improvement in sound stage. Tube rolling allows you to change to signature but can get spendy. 

 

As you can tell, I like the Schiit gear. You can also save money by buying used here on the forums. The Schiit components are build like tanks and are generally a safe buy used.

 

gL!!

post #14091 of 17021
Thx for your answer..but i don't understand something...vhalalla is not better then asgard2? And then why i need a dac(odac) with a desktop amp?maybe because i have an iPod as source? (If i buy a cd/sacd as source,i don't need dac..it's right?)
If i buy bifrost with uber upgrade,i have to choose with USB 2th gen input?or not?(for my ipod it's necessary USB input right?)
Thx and sorry for all question
Ps: i read all yours rewiev in schiit amp..and i like it too..i'll take one of them
Edited by acud1985 - 10/19/13 at 5:59am
post #14092 of 17021

Of course you can use an ipod or your pc as source. Just remember that the hd650 is a high end headphone that will continue to sound better with better equipment. It's up to you and your budget to decide just how good you want it to sound and how much to spend. 

 

You can always start with a source that you have, ipod, and add something better later. That way you'll appreciate the difference more. 

 

gL!!

post #14093 of 17021
So i need a dac near my iPod and an amp to drive hd650? I must buy dac and amp? Not only amp..
I believed that it Was necessary only amp and i could connect iPod to amp directly..
post #14094 of 17021

No you don't need to buy the dac yet. The ipod can connect to whatever amp you buy and you'll be set. You can add a dac later. 

post #14095 of 17021
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post
 

No you don't need to buy the dac yet. The ipod can connect to whatever amp you buy and you'll be set. You can add a dac later. 


+1. But note that if you get a DAC, you're really looking to make it a desktop setup. Feeding your iPod via aux into a DAC doesn't really make sense.

post #14096 of 17021
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Originally Posted by joebobbilly View Post


+1. But note that if you get a DAC, you're really looking to make it a desktop setup. Feeding your iPod via aux into a DAC doesn't really make sense.
i choosed schiit as brand for my new setup not which amp and dac yet.. So i'll really make a desktop setup. I buy amp for first(i think vhalalla or lyr) then i'll buy a dac(bifrost uber maybe)...but i have another question..i don't understand why it need a dac too..i don't understand and i don't know it..sorry :-(
post #14097 of 17021
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Originally Posted by acud1985 View Post


i choosed schiit as brand for my new setup not which amp and dac yet.. So i'll really make a desktop setup. I buy amp for first(i think vhalalla or lyr) then i'll buy a dac(bifrost uber maybe)...but i have another question..i don't understand why it need a dac too..i don't understand and i don't know it..sorry :-(

 

IMO, the Valhalla is a better amp than the Lyr or Asgard for the HD650.

post #14098 of 17021
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Originally Posted by pdrm360 View Post
 

 

IMO, the Valhalla is a better amp than the Lyr or Asgard for the HD650.

 

That statement interest me, I have the Val and am curious what about it makes it better than the Lyr in this setup? 

post #14099 of 17021
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Originally Posted by acud1985 View Post
 

morning all

i have opened a new topic in help and raccomandation threads and i have a clear idea that i would to buy now...i want this fantastic headphone HD650!!! but I think that I will have some problems because I have a portable setup now: ipod classic 5.5g rockboxed + fiio e11 (i utilize this setup for akg q460).. so I would to know which solutions are the best to drive HD650..a portable setup or a desktop setup (i will listen music in my bedroom).. I have only ipod as source because i'm new in this world.. my budget is around 400/500 euro not much...

so can you help me? suggest me a desktop and a portable setup please.

ps: i read desktop solution schiit valhalla...or nuforce icon hdp...or violectric v100...but i don't know who is the best for me and my budget.

Thank of all and sorry for my english.

 

I'm on the preorder list for the CEntrance HiFi-M8.  Its a DAC/Amp combo that works with iDevices in the native OS.  Two thing:  You would have to ditch Rockbox, which is easy with iTunes.  You might miss the interface.  Also we would need to make sure the 5.5G works with the device.

 

Several Head-Fiers already report great synergy with the HD650s, and power to spare.

 

I'm anxious to get mine...

post #14100 of 17021
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Originally Posted by Byronb View Post
 

 

That statement interest me, I have the Val and am curious what about it makes it better than the Lyr in this setup? 

 

IMHO, the Valhalla adds a bit treble energy to HD650. 

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