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post #16 of 30
10/7/06 at 2:57am
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Originally Posted by PiccoloNamek
So it's sort of like a full-sized ER4, only better? I must have one! Somehow...
Heh. Man I was the biggest Ety fanboy over the ER4s... just look at my posting history.

I know it seems impossible to believe, and even if I read this before owning the K1000 I would have doubted it, but there really is no comparison. These things so fully destroy the ER4s, they now sound muffled. And I take back what I said about the imaging... these are better, though not by a huge amount.

The bass does not extend as deep, but it's hard to notice that while you're washed in gloriously detailed sound.

If you can find a pair, do it. Trust me.
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post #17 of 30
10/7/06 at 3:03am
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These things so fully destroy the ER4s, they now sound muffled
That makes me both very happy, and very sad. I love my ER4s, I don't want to leave them... but... I am being called...

I have no doubt that they're more detailed, although I feel it is a little harsh to say the ER4s are "muffled" in comparison I mean, mine resolve plenty of detail... plenty of detail... *cry*

It doesn't matter though, I'll never be able to afford a pair, let alone find one. Ahh, *sigh*...
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post #18 of 30
10/7/06 at 3:05am
If you like Etys, you should like K1000 also, plus the Orpheus
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post #19 of 30
10/7/06 at 3:07am
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Originally Posted by lan
If you like Etys, you should like K1000 also, plus the Orpheus
Ok my turn.

I can't envision a level of detail and precision greater than what I'm hearing now, but I couldn't do that with the ER4s at the time either. How does the Orpheus compare to the K1000?

I know this is dangerous territory I'm treading into here.
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post #20 of 30
10/7/06 at 3:59am
To be fair, treble extension is a problem with balanced armatures in general than with the ER4s in particular. Although I'm racking my brain trying to imagine how a headphone that has to move such a large amount of air could resolve more detail than a headphone that only has to move less than a thimbleful of air and whose transducer movement is almost directly linked to the movement of the eardrum. (I'm not talking about the ER4 in particular, it could just as easily be a UE-10 or Senaphonics, or whatever you care to pick.)

Edit: Hey, I replied to a post before you even posted it.
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post #21 of 30
10/7/06 at 4:00am
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Originally Posted by PiccoloNamek
That makes me both very happy, and very sad. I love my ER4s, I don't want to leave them... but... I am being called...

I have no doubt that they're more detailed, although I feel it is a little harsh to say the ER4s are "muffled" in comparison I mean, mine resolve plenty of detail... plenty of detail... *cry*

It doesn't matter though, I'll never be able to afford a pair, let alone find one. Ahh, *sigh*...
Oh hey I still love my ER4s. I use em at work and for portable listening and (ahem) while driving on long highway trips since my ****box car is so damned loud inside and I can't hear anything except road noise anyway.

When I say muffled, it really is that big of difference. The ER4 treble extension is not good and although it is incredibly detailed and textured in the midrange and lower treble, there's just so much more at the top.

You should at least find a K1000 at a meet to listen to.
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post #22 of 30
10/7/06 at 4:10am
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Originally Posted by PiccoloNamek
To be fair, treble extension is a problem with balanced armatures in general than with the ER4s in particular.
Yup. There must be a way to solve that... Come on Etymotic! Work some magic!

I haven't heard the E500 but all the other Shures (including the E4/E5c) were so disappointing. Never heard any UEs or Sensaphonics either though I'd like to.

Just curious... you using foamies? Have you tried my mod?

http://www6.head-fi.org/forums/showt...timate+er4+mod

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Originally Posted by PiccoloNamek
Edit: Hey, I replied to a post before you even posted it.
Yeah that's been happening a lot lately. It seems for some reason this blog engine sorts the post by hour:minute timestamp instead of by seconds-since-epoch, so if you post in the same minute, the sort could go either way.
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post #23 of 30
10/7/06 at 4:26am
I use Comply foam tips; I can't stand the feel of flanges. They hurt my ears and I can never get a good seal.

You mentioned needing more highs in that thread, perhaps the ER4B is truly the IEM for you, rather than the S.
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post #24 of 30
10/7/06 at 4:35am
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Originally Posted by PiccoloNamek
Although I'm racking my brain trying to imagine how a headphone that has to move such a large amount of air could resolve more detail than a headphone that only has to move less than a thimbleful of air and whose transducer movement is almost directly linked to the movement of the eardrum. (I'm not talking about the ER4 in particular, it could just as easily be a UE-10 or Senaphonics, or whatever you care to pick.)
I suspect a few things are at work:

1. Noise and distortions that normally wouldn't be audible on headphones become apparent through IEMs because the slightest current can result in a detectable pressure change (as only a small amount of air needs to be moved per milliwatt). The K1000s require a huge amount of energy so at least on the output stage it doesn't have to be as clean (well S:N ratio yes, but not current levels).

2. High frequencies are probably (re)absorbed by the diaphragm rather than transmitted because it's aimed towards the case, not the ear.

3. Since an IEM is closed-back, there might be resonance frequencies or interference caused by the sound waves reflecting from the back of the can.
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post #25 of 30
10/7/06 at 4:37am
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Originally Posted by PiccoloNamek
I use Comply foam tips; I can't stand the feel of flanges. They hurt my ears and I can never get a good seal.

You mentioned needing more highs in that thread, perhaps the ER4B is truly the IEM for you, rather than the S.
Ah I didn't mean more highs, just a better balance and more extension. The FR balance on the ER4s is perfect for me.... just wish they went > 20khz.
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post #26 of 30
10/10/06 at 4:39pm
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I just switched back to my ER4s on my GL at work. It had been so long since I changed my filters I decided to give it a shot. Now I remember why I love these things so much... so relaxing and soothing for classical. So I take it back; the K1000s aren't miles ahead of the ER4s but they are slightly more detailed and definitely benefit from higher FR extension. Properly amped the ER4s are really magical too.
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post #27 of 30
10/10/06 at 4:40pm
Regardless, I still want a pair of K1000s.
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post #28 of 30
10/10/06 at 4:45pm
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Originally Posted by PiccoloNamek
Regardless, I still want a pair of K1000s.
Doooooooooo ittttttt! Life is short!
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post #29 of 30
10/10/06 at 6:15pm
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Originally Posted by nightfire
Doooooooooo ittttttt! Life is short!
I agree!
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post #30 of 30
10/13/06 at 7:56pm
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Originally Posted by nightfire
Doooooooooo ittttttt! Life is short!
I couldn't agree more!
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