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Originally Posted by volcomjerk
When I use the term "rip-off" I don't mean it in a way that Ray is cheating his way out of his Hornet so get over it.
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You say that...but it's abundently clear that a lot of folks here (and not just RSA fanboys) took umbrage at your unfortunate choice of words. After all that, it's too bad that you feel like you need to cop an attitude.
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Originally Posted by volcomjerk
I'm not the only person that has wanted to state an opinion and then everyone in camp B pounces person who states opinion in camp A. This is the life of Head-Fi and I don't want to start anymore opinionated threads because of this.
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Nobody will have a problem with you stating your opinion. It's the manner in which you state it. Saying that a manufacturer's product is not the best value, or that it's sonic signature is not to your liking, is one thing. Saying that it's a "rip-off", it "sucks", and so on is going to do little more than make reasonable people wonder if someone with the word "jerk" in his screenname isn't intentionally looking for trouble. When you start howling about being banned by moderators before any moderator has posted in the thread, it makes people wonder even more.
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NOW PLEASE NO MORE COUNTER ATTACKS ABOUT MY OPINION
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Again, it's not your opinion, it's the manner in which you state things.
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Second... To me I couldn't tell the difference between a Hornet and the source. I'm not going to pay close to 400 for something that makes little or no difference. I want results when I spend that much money. If that's not enough evidence as to why i think the Hornet is a "rip-off" then please keep paying top dollar for whatever makes you happy.
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Again, rip-off...after all this, you're still doing it. Again, reasonable people will wonder whether you're intentionally looking for trouble.
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Third... I mean no disrespect to Ray because he has a great return policy and like I said I'm thankful to get to try it out free of charge but I don't like the fact that Ray speaks about his products in a discussion forum and lurks reviews or impressions and replies. I find it very weird and I think that ALL manufacturers should let their products speak for itself and let the customers come up with the verdicts. I'd rather talk to Ray personally in an email or on the phone. What I say or do in a discussion forum is for customers/consumers to talk about.
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I'll be honest, I think sometimes Ray does himself more harm than good by doing just that. However, I also think that he probably felt like he was being attacked (whether that was your intent or not) and felt the need to defend himself. I know the man well enough to know that he takes it personally when someone isn't happy with one of his products...maybe a bit too personally at times. Not everyone is going to love your product, but it's hard not to speak up when words like "rip-off" and "sucks" are being thrown around. I can't really fault him for it in this instance.
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Fourth... I find no point in posting impressions or opinions when everyone just replies with the same thing and ends the same way. This not only leads to more confusion amongst consumers but no one has a good view of what's really great and what's not so great. Sure sure we all prefer different sounds but seriously sometimes there is **** out there that is way overpriced.
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It is simply not true that "everyone" just replies with the same thing and ends the same way. We have differing opinions about virtually every amp here. The difference is that most folks find a way to express their preference for one amp or the other without trashing another amp in the process.
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This is my last post in this thread and with that, just listen to everything yourself whether it cost 50 bucks or 1000 and decide for yourself. Don't let Head-Fi teams determine what's best. I know I made the mistake of hopping on the Hornet bandwagon only because everyone else owns one but in the end when I heard it... I was pretty much surprised to find that I didn't like it because I couldn't believe that something that expensive made little or no difference in the sound signature. That's when I started catching on that just cause everyone owns it doesn't mean it's the best.
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I don't think that ANYONE here thinks that listening to something for yourself is a bad idea. Over and over and over again, the recommendation to attend a meet is offered to the newer member trying to decide on an amp. That's not to say that one might not take the recommendation of a friend or a member who has similar listening habits.
In closing, I want to make this very clear: nobody ought to be riding roughshod over you for expressing a respectful but less-than-glowing opinion about anyone's amp on these boards. There are several amps that I simply don't care for...when asked, I respond that the amp in question isn't to my taste sonically, that I think there are better values for the money, that I prefer the construction of another manufacturer's amps, and so on. I don't see the point of saying that someone's amp is a rip-off, or that it sucks. All that does is start flame wars, and we like to keep those to a minimum. It's my job as a moderator to keep the peace, and if a member were to become involved in flame war after flame war, eventually I'd have to do something about it. So I encourage you to find a way to express yourself such that we won't have to go to that place.
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