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post #31 of 329
9/13/06 at 1:47pm
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Originally Posted by peelax
Headfi is dangerous I'm not sure why people who say power cables make a difference get slated more than people who say, for instance, op-amp rolling makes a difference.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N_ray
It isn't necessarily different, but when you have an uninformed member on a budget seeking advice on power cables, and you have pepole advising him that a $1K power cable is going to make the difference, I think certain members feel an obligation to save the member and his wallet.

Even though I buy very high priced gear, I'm always very careful to make
sure people understand that in addition to aural preferences, my choices stem from aesthetic concerns and a healthy amount of disposable income. It's fun to dabble in the world of audiophilia, but when giving advice I try keep things in perspective.
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post #32 of 329
9/13/06 at 4:04pm
Yer I totally agree, I don't think I gave the best example!
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post #33 of 329
9/13/06 at 4:04pm
No one is going to drop $3000 on a power cable just because they read Patrick's post showing an improvement of 1150 on a scale of 1 to 10. I enjoy reading about his impressions of various room temperatures and brilliant pebbles, etc. Keep up the good work, sir.
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post #34 of 329
9/13/06 at 4:44pm
But it might lead them to believe there is a superb price/improvement ratio and drop a lot considering their budget.
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post #35 of 329
9/13/06 at 4:48pm
However with regards to the original post, I think you should get someone to build you a cable, you know you are getting reasonable value for money, and from the DIY cable thread some of them look _really_ nice.
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post #36 of 329
9/13/06 at 5:05pm
it never ceases to amaze me how hot this topic is. no matter what forum it is, it always seems to be the most polarized arguement. if you like to play around with a/c cables, you're a deaf fool who imagines he can hear things that aren't there... i don't understand why some folks get so worked up about it. just because you explain it with an ee degree, doesn't mean it's all phyco-acoustics. i can remember when the same arguements were being made about interconnects too.
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post #37 of 329
9/13/06 at 5:35pm
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Originally Posted by hYdrociTy
No matter what you replace the cable with, eventually it will all come out as the same exact crap your power supply pumps out to the rest of the components... I can see if you compare 14awg cable vs a 40guage corroded wire but all those "advanced silver litz strand" bull is nonsense..

I can justify spending 5000USD on one of those Power Regenerators, but not thousands on a cable..IMO Id rather have a 5 dollar cable and a 200 buck ac->batt->ac buck power conditioner than some elite hunk of wire...

Oh and BTW this is coming from a cable enthusiast too. Interconnect and headphone DO make a teeny difference albeit for ME its just cosmetic and fun/cute thing....
Ok, so you say interrconnects and headphone cables can make a difference. Presumably, it is because you think you hear a difference. In my house with my system, however, I would say that the upgrades in power cables that I made (the cables were not $3000 cables but $150 cables) made a bigger difference than the interconnects, based on what I heard. I could see some skeptic saying no cables of any type make a difference, all amps sound the same, blah, blah, blah, but I think it is somewhat inconsistent for someone to say that interconnects can make a difference but power cords cannot.
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post #38 of 329
9/13/06 at 5:40pm
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Originally Posted by roadtonowhere08
They fail blind tests, because they can't tell the difference. That should make them even more skeptical, yes? Perhaps they just give into the hype, justify the cost, and become their own hype machines.
This is a DBT-free forum.
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post #39 of 329
9/13/06 at 5:45pm
Listen on my old forum, there are plenty who are going to shell out for slate plinths for their Garrards and Lenco TTs. Will they make a difference yes but how much - these plinths sell from £275($500) - £1200($2180) and I believe there is another company that makes these plinths seem very cheap.

These plinths are beautifully made, no doubt about that but for £1200, I could put together a damn good s/hand vinyl based system COMPLETE.

OK, they could spend the money on nose candy/ fast women or turn into alcoholics spending on outrageously expensive wine.

I believe in live and let live, if some of us see a benefit in buying what many see as snake oil let them. I do accept totally what some posters have said about peer group pressure - I demand value for money/bang for bucks - that's my take on it.

Stuart
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post #40 of 329
9/13/06 at 5:50pm
Just a point of order: Just how does "it" power all those components?

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Originally Posted by Patrick82
$3k Nordost Valhalla power cord is great, I use it for everything. Amp, CD player, DAC, power conditioners, computer, projector, LCD monitor, you name it!

It didn't make a big difference for my video gear though, but I love it for audio!!
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post #41 of 329
9/13/06 at 6:18pm
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Originally Posted by slwiser
Just a point of order: Just how does "it" power all those components?
im sure he has one for every electronic item he has.
Think 3000 dollar power cable on his acer LCD is over the top? Try using such godly cables to power a toaster.

Impressions: WOW! so crispy and subtle signature of charred flavoring! Not at all subdued at the edge! Butter has never melted so smoothly as now, from such even heat! ! For years I have auditioned only the finest breads, and yet I felt something was missing.. Now I know what it is. The pico-volt spikes that came through from my last toaster cable (a budget 800 dollar 12awg OFC) created uneven distribution of thermodynamic energy, resulting in channel imbalance of the two bread slots! One would come out perfect, and the other would be charred at the middle?!?!? But ALAS The Valhalla smooths out such sparkling display of electrical insability and as a bonus increased the palatestage so much! Tastes not at all tinny, but as if I were at the middle chair an actual kitchen table!!!!
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post #42 of 329
9/13/06 at 7:59pm
i get highly irritated with people who have not tried different power cords and yet say they make no difference because of "science"...

how do you know you dislike asparagus if you've never tried it?

maybe patrick's cables make a great difference but i do agree components should come first and cables last.
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post #43 of 329
9/13/06 at 8:06pm
Given what he has said about them I thought maybe he had tapped into a magic cord that could do duty for any component needed at the same time with a single cord.

I do think the concept of magic plays out here in some manner, maybe slight of hand or some misdirection.

From what I am reading about these cords and ICs he uses they could make any Bose sound like..........................................a Dac sound like a R10, an amp sound like a CD, etc....duck look like a dog.

One more thing....his concepts defies the law of diminishing returns in many ways from what I am seeing.

Yea, I know I just made a host of people mad. So hit me.....it hurtssssss badddd...

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Originally Posted by hYdrociTy
im sure he has one for every electronic item he has.
Think 3000 dollar power cable on his acer LCD is over the top? Try using such godly cables to power a toaster.

Impressions: WOW! so crispy and subtle signature of charred flavoring! Not at all subdued at the edge! Butter has never melted so smoothly as now, from such even heat! ! For years I have auditioned only the finest breads, and yet I felt something was missing.. Now I know what it is. The pico-volt spikes that came through from my last toaster cable (a budget 800 dollar 12awg OFC) created uneven distribution of thermodynamic energy, resulting in channel imbalance of the two bread slots! One would come out perfect, and the other would be charred at the middle?!?!? But ALAS The Valhalla smooths out such sparkling display of electrical insability and as a bonus increased the palatestage so much! Tastes not at all tinny, but as if I were at the middle chair an actual kitchen table!!!!
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post #44 of 329
9/13/06 at 8:32pm
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Originally Posted by PhilS
This is a DBT-free forum.
I don't believe I ever suggested having one, as having one would be futile. There are those who listen to music, and there are those that listen to their gear.
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post #45 of 329
9/13/06 at 8:55pm
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Originally Posted by BrianS
how do you know you dislike asparagus if you've never tried it?
How do you know you shouldn't use asparagus inside your power cords if you've never tried it?
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