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post #1501 of 1737
What didn't you like about the BA?
post #1502 of 1737

I do like ZD SE. But BA is balanced which attract me a lot to try it.

post #1503 of 1737
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Originally Posted by ericfarrell85 View Post

What didn't you like about the BA?

 

Having owned the ZD, ZDSE, BA, and now ZDT over the years; the way the HD800 in particular sounds with the ZD is just better to me, sorry I can't really describe it in detail for you :(  I know I am not the first to say this either if you do some digging.  (http://www.head-fi.org/t/496130/audeze-lcd2-vs-sennheiser-hd800/195)

 

I think it has to do with the fact that the ZD is OTL (output transformer-less) and BA is transformer coupled amp.  Though I have only a general comprehension of what's going on, I find I really like the BA with lower impedance headphones as a result.  Of course you could also argue it's the tube compliments that result in better or worse sound.

 

Sorry I am not putting forth the effort to get into explaining them but I think it has to do with the output impedances of the amps and damping factor at play.  Not really a fault of the amps but a design choice that affects what they are best suited for. For more reading: 

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/264994/what-do-otl-and-transformer-coupled-mean

http://www.prosoundweb.com/article/understanding_the_relationship_between_amplifier_damping_factor_impedance_c/

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by rexlee View Post

I do like ZD SE. But BA is balanced which attract me a lot to try it.

 

Keep in mind the BA is balanced off the transformers which is different from other amps available like say the headamp gs-x and schiit mjolnir; in other words just because it is balanced doesn't always make it better right off the bat though all these amps mentioned should be stellar performers.

post #1504 of 1737
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Originally Posted by Mr.Sneis View Post

 

Having owned the ZD, ZDSE, BA, and now ZDT over the years; the way the HD800 in particular sounds with the ZD is just better to me, sorry I can't really describe it in detail for you :(  I know I am not the first to say this either if you do some digging.  (http://www.head-fi.org/t/496130/audeze-lcd2-vs-sennheiser-hd800/195)

 

I think it has to do with the fact that the ZD is OTL (output transformer-less) and BA is transformer coupled amp.  Though I have only a general comprehension of what's going on, I find I really like the BA with lower impedance headphones as a result.  Of course you could also argue it's the tube compliments that result in better or worse sound.

 

Sorry I am not putting forth the effort to get into explaining them but I think it has to do with the output impedances of the amps and damping factor at play.  Not really a fault of the amps but a design choice that affects what they are best suited for. For more reading: 

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/264994/what-do-otl-and-transformer-coupled-mean

http://www.prosoundweb.com/article/understanding_the_relationship_between_amplifier_damping_factor_impedance_c/

 

 

 

 

Keep in mind the BA is balanced off the transformers which is different from other amps available like say the headamp gs-x and schiit mjolnir; in other words just because it is balanced doesn't always make it better right off the bat though all these amps mentioned should be stellar performers.


OK. I am curious about the comparison between BA and ZDSE with HD800 now. Sadly I have no chance now since I cannot own ZDSE and BA at the same time. confused_face.gif

 

BTW, Mr. Sneis, which tube you were using for your BA, PX-4 or 300B?


Edited by rexlee - 6/18/13 at 3:52pm
post #1505 of 1737

It's pretty simple really.  

 

The BA will still play nice with the hd800 and sound "decent", it's just that the design of the amp may not be the best pairing with the hd800.  The amp itself really is amazing and thankfully doesn't double as a room heater.  For me I knew how the hd800 could sound on other amps going in.

 

The ZDSE is great with high impedance headphones like the hd800, the SE version even adds the gain switch for lower impedance phones.  The amp is also amazing and has a second purpose as a room heater.

 

I am running KR PX-4 tubes, not that I had much of a choice really as I got the amp with them.  I have not rolled any 300b tubes in but in my experience with the Equilibrato I did not like some of the lower end tubes ($400 or less).

post #1506 of 1737

+1 the ZDSE rescued me from quitting headfi. Can't get enough of my setup now.

post #1507 of 1737
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Sneis View Post

It's pretty simple really.  

 

The BA will still play nice with the hd800 and sound "decent", it's just that the design of the amp may not be the best pairing with the hd800.  The amp itself really is amazing and thankfully doesn't double as a room heater.  For me I knew how the hd800 could sound on other amps going in.

 

The ZDSE is great with high impedance headphones like the hd800, the SE version even adds the gain switch for lower impedance phones.  The amp is also amazing and has a second purpose as a room heater.

 

I am running KR PX-4 tubes, not that I had much of a choice really as I got the amp with them.  I have not rolled any 300b tubes in but in my experience with the Equilibrato I did not like some of the lower end tubes ($400 or less).


Room heater. LOL.

 

I expect to try BA with PX-4 ASAP. But Craig is out of town recently.

post #1508 of 1737
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Sneis View Post

It's pretty simple really.  

 

The BA will still play nice with the hd800 and sound "decent", it's just that the design of the amp may not be the best pairing with the hd800.  The amp itself really is amazing and thankfully doesn't double as a room heater.  For me I knew how the hd800 could sound on other amps going in.

 

The ZDSE is great with high impedance headphones like the hd800, the SE version even adds the gain switch for lower impedance phones.  The amp is also amazing and has a second purpose as a room heater.

 

I am running KR PX-4 tubes, not that I had much of a choice really as I got the amp with them.  I have not rolled any 300b tubes in but in my experience with the Equilibrato I did not like some of the lower end tubes ($400 or less).

 

Thanks for the impressions on BA and ZDSE.  I really wanted to order one but couldn't deciding which.  This is why I want to wait for a demo (a local meeting is coming up soon with Craig's toys available to play with).  BA's specs look great with balanced inputs but the price + px4 tubes makes the amp's price range up to the electrostatic amps'.  Will have to talk to Craig on which pairs up good with HD800s.  Thanks for the forum links, will have to read up on these!     
post #1509 of 1737

Rexlee, have you decided what to do with the ZDSE after the BA gets in? atsmile.gif

post #1510 of 1737

Too late buddy. My ZDSE has already gone. biggrin.gif
 


Edited by rexlee - 6/19/13 at 1:09pm
post #1511 of 1737

To any HD800 and ZDSE owners out there, which gain setting do you guys prefer to use? With my TH900, I very much preferred the low gain setting. However, I always find myself setting the knob on high gain for my HD800 for more impact. What do you think?

post #1512 of 1737

Do you mean the impedance setting.  That is not on mine because it is around 3 and a half years old, only on the newer ones.  The older ones are all on the high impedance, which is perfect for the HD800 and HD650.

post #1513 of 1737

I used high impedance setting for classical music especially for symphony while use low for pop music.

post #1514 of 1737

Always had mine set to low

post #1515 of 1737

Low all the time for me, as I use IEM nowadays very often with it.

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