Originally Posted by Kees
I reported this (about FLAC, the effect and cause are the same) before. I was told I am crazy. Nice to see there are people who support what I hear. Nice to see there are still people who try it out for themselves. The only valid argument is what YOU hear. There are a lot of people who can't to hear it, which is ok. But they also don't want YOU to hear it, because that would mean their reasoning could be wrong (or better: beside the point).
You are making a very bad and very wrong assumption. I never
once in this entire thread said that he could not hear a difference. Therefore, your assertion that I "don't want [him] to hear it" because that would "mean [my] reasoning is wrong" is false. Though I think that it is extremely unlikely that there is an actual difference between .wav and AL, I am not
claiming that he hears no difference. I'm sure he does hear a difference, or he wouldn't have posted. As I said earlier, I can't tell what he hears. My point is simply that if he refuses to substantiate the claim that he can hear it with evidence that he can very easily obtain through an ABX test, then the claim is useless, because there is no way to tell whether the difference he hears is the result of an actual audible difference between the AL codec and .wav, an error in the decoding scheme used by the playback device, expectation bias, or something else.
Originally Posted by Zenja
I haven't tried anything myself, but it's possible that the apple lossless decoder in the iPod is flawed and doesn't decompress properly. Taking the two files to foobar and doing an ABX on them won't do anything because it's being decoded by foobar.
I completely agree with you. Note, however, that the claim that the OP is making is that "no way is Apple Lossless as good as WAV." He is attributing the difference he hears to the codec itself, not to the decoder. (Though he has not said so in this thread, in his audio asylum thread he notes that he has read of an audible difference between AL and .wav playing back on the computer via iTunes.) The assertion that the codec is not as good as .wav is easily tested.