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ALo Jena Wire Cryo Dock vs Compact Silk Dock?

post #1 of 11
Thread Starter 
Folks,

Any opinions on ALO Jena Wire Cryo Dock vs Compact Silk Dock from AudioLineOut? I'm leaning towards the Compact Silk Dock for use with my Micro amp, moving away from my Cardas mini-mini/Sendstation PocketDock setup.

Cheers,
-V
post #2 of 11
as we speak I'm breaking in that Jena Cryo. SOunds delicious. Warm, comfy kinda sound.

Quite happy with the purchase. Have about 20 hrs or so on it and according to Ken it'll take 100+ hrs for break in.

Highly recommend PLUS it's quite compact in design
post #3 of 11
I have both, plus a Cotton Dock. I guess you can say that I like these products. I first purchased the Silk, but later on I realized that I needed something a little more durable. Not to say that the silk or cotton is not durable, but I needed something that would not break during a lifestyle that puts constant on-the-go flexing and stress on my cable. So I was thinking stranded copper. The problem with that is stranded cable does not sound good to me. I should rephrase that: The problem with that is, before the Cyro Dock, I've never heard a stranded cable that sounded good. I wanted my cake and eat it too. Well, when I contacted Ken, that's just what he gave me, imagine that. I love this hobby. He told me about the Cyro he was testing and offered it to me at a very good price, as it was still in beta. I've had it over a month now, way over 100 hours. Let me tell you, I am not careful at all with this cable. It still looks and sounds brand new. It does sound very much like the Compact Silk Dock. Real real good. Wide open sounstage, more detail, more air, good texture, and richer harmonics. I never would have believed that an iPod could sound this good. I liked them so much that I had to purchase a cotton, mostly out of curiosity. Oh, I did I mention that I also purchased a 24 inch Cotton to RCA Dock? Yep, I love and am in awe of these cables. I am not worthy. Seriously, Ken has created the kind of products that stirs one's interest. Just look at the amount of posts here lately. The cotton has the more open soundstage of the three types I have, with the Silk and Cyro comming in a very, very close second and third respectivly. That's the only real sonic difference I hear between them. There are others but I'm hard pressed to hear them as they are so tiny and, for the most part, forget all about them. I'm just enjoying the music. The soundstage differences are also very tiny. On a side note, I use them with a 5G iPod and a Xin Supermini III. With my old cable and Pocketdock, nobody noticed. With one of Ken's cables people will notice. Twice, perfect strangers have come up to me and asked what that cable connected to the iPod is. They don't notice the amp. Once with the Silk and the other time with the Cyro. So then I would wind up in a conversation about the whole thing, which seemed to fascinate them and was fun for me. You can't go wrong with any of the three that I've mentioned.
post #4 of 11
i've had my cotton dock for about 3 months now and its been put through tremendous torture (through my carelessness) and there are no problems. so i hope you don't see the cotton or silk dock as these delicate cable that will snap with slight force... i haven't heard any other alo docks, but based on what i've read, the cotton dock is still the best available dock. i'm still very impressed by them. they add another dimension to my music!
post #5 of 11
I also have all three LODs. The Cotton, Silk, and Cryo docks.

My findings pretty much agree with Melletron, and aluren.

While neither the Cotton nor the Silk docks are "fragile" they're nowhere near as bomb proof as the Cryo dock. The sound of the Cotton, Silk and Cryo are very close to one another, I have to give a slight nod to the Cotton dock for ultimate audio bliss, with the Silk bringing up a very close second. Remarkably close to those, is the sound of the Cryo. There's no way a bullet proof multi-stranded copper interconnect should sound this good, but it does. Remarkable. By the way Melletron, I also bought a RCA terminated Cotton LOD which I use to drive my amps with RCA inputs. Awesome!
post #6 of 11
Yea, that 24 inch Cotton RCA Dock is just so very transparent, like the portable Cotton Dock. Each type, be it the Cotton, Silk, or Cyro, has their own slightly different sound sig for sure. But it's evident to me that those individual sound sigs will remain consistent throughout each product.

I also agree that the cotton and silk docks are not at all fragile.
post #7 of 11
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Originally Posted by Melletron
Yea, that 24 inch Cotton RCA Dock is just so very transparent, like the portable Cotton Dock. Each type, be it the Cotton, Silk, or Cyro, has their own slightly different sound sig for sure. But it's evident to me that those individual sound sigs will remain consistent throughout each product.

I also agree that the cotton and silk docks are not at all fragile.
man, that's like 500 bucks worth of cable!! i'm also curious at trying out the silk and cryo docks but unfortunately i don't have that much money...
oh well... maybe someday i will!
post #8 of 11
I see you have the cotton. Don't bother with the silk as it's pretty much the cotton, with the cotton being slightly better, unless you need a thinner cable. Get the cyro if you need your tunes on the front line of a battlefield. I tell you, western civilization could fall, the world can end, and that cable would still sound good.

How long have you been waiting for that Supermacro IV? I have a Supermini III. Sounds awesome. If that Supermacro sounds half as good as the hype then you're in for a real treat. But we already know it's gonna sound every bit as good the hype. I'm gonna order one. Just gonna wait for the dust to settle first. I don't think I could take the wait, although it's almost as hard not to pull the trigger right now.

I bought a Dared MP5 amp from Ken. Sounds great. Looks great. I ordered it on a Friday while at work, chose to have it shipped next day and went home. The thing is, I opted to have it shipped to a different address as I was not going to be home Saturday. It did arrive Saturday. When I arrived in work on Monday I saw that Ken had emailed me twice about the confusion over the shipping address. My fault. Well, he got it right. Ken's got great instincts.

It would be just so hard to wait a month or two for an amp after getting one next day. Thanks, Ken!
post #9 of 11
i've been waiting for the supermacro iv since july 13... its been awhile... but yeah, i wasn't planning on getting the silk dock... maybe the cryo, but i've read some posts in DIY that cryo cable aren't anything special and that the cryo treatment doesn't really change the properties of copper unless it stayed in that super freezing temperature. but i guess in the end if it sounds good, i'm good.
post #10 of 11
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Originally Posted by aluren
i've been waiting for the supermacro iv since july 13... its been awhile... but yeah, i wasn't planning on getting the silk dock... maybe the cryo, but i've read some posts in DIY that cryo cable aren't anything special and that the cryo treatment doesn't really change the properties of copper unless it stayed in that super freezing temperature. but i guess in the end if it sounds good, i'm good.
The documentation on the ALO website on the Jena Cryo treatment seems to imply that the properties of the copper stay "modified/improved" even after the treatment.

Please excuse the following long quote (used without permission):

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Originally Posted by From Audiolineout.com
About Jena Wire


I have personally searched long and far for a stranded wire to stand up to my cotton and silk dock cables. I really needed a conductor that could stand up to the rough and tumble environment of a truly portable line out dock cable. Silver sounded great but as we all know a solid silver wire is not the most durable solution. The problem was all the stranded wire I tried was simply trounced by my silk and cotton cables, until now. The folks over at Jena Tech gave me a sample of Jena Wire making grand claims and I thought "oh another stranded wire that is going to get destroyed by my Cotton and Silk cables" I was more than surprised by the Jena Wire. The wire is visually beautiful, a pink gold color exciting to the eye as well as the ear. I found its sonic signature to be so unique and having a flavor all its own. Easily going toe to toe with my best selling Silk and Cotton cables while being more durable than a solid silver cable.

Jena Wire is custom fabricated for Jena Technologies over seas in exacting laboratory conditions, using fifty 99.9999% pure copper strands to comprise the conductor. The 50 strands are compressed at high pressures in a Teflon dielectric that is specially void of fluorine which allows for greater flexibility and a dielectric minus fluorine holds up better during the cryogenic treatment. The cable is then cryogenically treated in Jena Technologies lab to exacting standards using a full immersion treatment process outlined below. This is the same conductor found in Jena Tech's award winning Pathfinder and Dreamdancer speaker cables costing thousands of dollars. What you get is the most uncolored and full bodied sound possible, a truly unique cable and the worlds first cryogenically treated Line Out Dock.

Cryo Process

All JENA LABS wire products are Deep Immersion Cryogenically treated as part of the standard production process. This treatment entails a cold chilling process culminating in the full immersion of the cables in Liquid Nitrogen, also known as LN2. The boiling point of LN2 is -320.4° Fahrenheit, [-195.77° Celsius] or about 400° F below warm room temperature.
In the liquid state as we use it, the LN2 is actually much colder than the vapor to liquid boiling point of LN2 (-320.4° Fahrenheit.)

* We use what is called a super cooling process that is between -330.° to about -345.° Fahrenheit.

* Additionally our LN2 is a validated medical grade liquid Nitrogen, which is just another plus for its purity.


What happens?

Exposing metallic objects to this extreme cold causes beneficial molecular changes to occur. As metallic objects cool, they shrink. With the extreme cooling and the shrinkage that follows in LN2 immersion, the crystal boundaries of metallic conductors align more closely with one another and become more conductive and quieter. Mechanical integrity is also improved. The improved molecular condition stays intact through the slow warming process and is stable at room temperature.

Benefits

When conducting an electric signal, treated wire and formed metallic parts will produce less micro-diode-effect noise, less impurity inclusion field disturbance and less 'slow field' transverse energy generation. The result is a cable or electrical device that is quieter in noise floor and more revealing of subtle musical nuances.

Difficulties

Working with LN2 requires very specialized and expensive equipment, and extreme care in process. It is very dangerous, as the cold is so severe that it can result in severe injury from accidental exposure to the liquid. The process of chilling and warming takes several days to complete, and if done incorrectly can result in the fracture and loss of the materials being processed. In every phase of the treatment, extreme care must be taken. We feel strongly enough about the musical merits of the treatment, that we gladly make the investment in the equipment, the time, and the safety procedures needed to make the benefits available to our customers.

Beware of others Cryo-Claims

Several audio writers, equipment modifiers, and so-called technologists have promoted refrigeration of cables and electronic parts by packing in Dry Ice. This is NOT cryogenic treatment. Clearly, dry ice has nothing to do with Cryogenics.

There are a few companies that are providing a service which employ gas bath refrigeration in a cold furnace cooled by LN2. If it is a circulation process these types of furnace's can reach down to about -180.° to about -240.° Fahrenheit generally speaking. With enough extreme and outrageously expensive effort (economically prohibitive for most providers) vapor circulation can get down to about -280.° Fahrenheit. For a circulation type of furnace that is 100% duty cycle of the gas inlet from the LN2 holding dewar. It does not matter what others are claiming getting vapor below -260.° Fahrenheit is exceptionally hard. Period. That will not provide a sufficient chill to our standards. Scientifically speaking, Cryogenics refer ONLY to temperatures at or below the vapor point on Nitrogen, -320.4° Fahrenheit. Our process involves temperatures that are substantially colder than this.

* We use what is called a super cooling process that is between -330.° to about -345.° Fahrenheit.

Only true Liquid Nitrogen Immersion, as employed by JENA LABS will fully and permanently enhance the musical behavior of metallic conductors.
post #11 of 11
i've read that already on the alo website. try to read this:

http://www6.head-fi.org/forums/showt...highlight=cryo

even though i'm no scientist, but i think some of the stuff that DIY'er have said in that thread makes sense. all atomic properties change at different temperatures. if you say that faucet water, after freezing it into ice, then melting it back to water, will purify the water and it will be cleaner to drink, then i find it hard to believe. perhaps i need a lesson in molecular chemistry...

but please, i'm not blasting the cryo dock... i just want to undestand it a little more from all points of views rather than just from Jena Wires, whose trying to make a profit out of it...
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