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post #496 of 578
1/27/07 at 11:36pm
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Originally Posted by Sovkiller View Post
AFAIK none of them, IMO mainly all of them have been conducted to prove voodoo, and there is no way you can prove that...
Well, I'd be interested in knowing if any one else knows of any "positive-result" DBT's. Certainly it would be nice to know that the methodology works well in the audio realm before we decide that the failure to pass a DBT means something.
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post #497 of 578
1/27/07 at 11:40pm
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Originally Posted by Sovkiller View Post
I never was aware that anyboody point any limitation before the test was concluded, all what I read, was far after they results were posted...Bu all the gurus and evne some cables dealers as well, many of those posts were later on deleted as well by the mods, for being out of contest and violating some rules. If you did before the test was done, bravo for you, i ahve an strong admiration for you then, and I apologize wiht you, evne while I'm not talking of your particular case...there is no conspiracy, here I never said that, but a few fishy comment maybe, and just becasue maybe they were expecting different results, and that IMO is true, otherwise how to justify those guys jumping after the results were posted and not before as you did, the right and correct way of doing things...

It is true also as you pointed, that the test was not conducted to demostrate the differences in cables at all, and not ot resolve this matter, but to guess among three different ones, IMO no test that you can posible imagine can do that, a point in favor of the beleivers, we all know that, but read between the lines on all of them, and you will draw your conclusions, at least I did...
No offense, but you're going to have to make your comments a bit more intelligible if you expect me to respond. I have difficulty with these posts that contain a series of run-on sentences and random thoughts and clauses. I know you're trying to respond quickly, but it's really hard to follow.
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post #498 of 578
1/28/07 at 12:01am
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Originally Posted by PhilS View Post
No offense, but you're going to have to make your comments a bit more intelligible if you expect me to respond. I have difficulty with these posts that contain a series of run-on sentences and random thoughts and clauses. I know you're trying to respond quickly, but it's really hard to follow.
Sorry, my bad, and no offense taken, man, I wish that everybody correct me while I do something not right writting or speaking....Well I tried to do my best given that Spanish is my native language, OK? Sometimes I tried top post a fast as I can.

I tried to arrange those "criminal ideas" in a more efficient way, to see if you can understand better, also a few mods done, I hope for better understanding...but anyway do not pay too much attention to them, we are all a little crazy and paranoic here...
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post #499 of 578
1/28/07 at 12:16am
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Originally Posted by PhilS View Post
Well, I'd be interested in knowing if any one else knows of any "positive-result" DBT's. Certainly it would be nice to know that the methodology works well in the audio realm before we decide that the failure to pass a DBT means something.
Try www.hydrogenaudio.org and you'll find a ton of them.
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post #500 of 578
1/28/07 at 12:27am
Skeptics are trying too hard to justify their purchase of crappy cables. For some reason they don't want better sound.

It is weird that they tell about cable blind tests that have failed, while all other tests have failed, even speaker tests... Do they actually think the difference is that big? Some skeptics are even measuring frequency response of speakers... Crazy people, should take them to lab for study...
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post #501 of 578
1/28/07 at 12:29am
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Originally Posted by PhilS View Post
Well, I'd be interested in knowing if any one else knows of any "positive-result" DBT's. Certainly it would be nice to know that the methodology works well in the audio realm before we decide that the failure to pass a DBT means something.
People have run and passed DBT's on different compressions of MP3 on numerous occasions, so it does work with audio, and their ability to pass goes down as compression goes up.
I just havent seen a DBT that people passed on different cables...
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post #502 of 578
1/28/07 at 12:30am
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Originally Posted by Patrick82 View Post
Skeptics are trying too hard to justify their purchase of crappy cables. For some reason they don't want better sound.

It is weird that they tell about cable blind tests that have failed, while all others tests have failed, even speaker tests... Do they actually think the difference is that big? Some skeptics are even measuring frequency response of speakers...
why don't you just send them your best cables and let them decide for themselves. people have to hear it for themselves.
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post #503 of 578
1/28/07 at 1:13am
The only problem is that those "crappy cables" are the standard in the pro audio industry including multimillionary companies, that could afford even to have silver cables in the AC lines for the air conditioning system (besides for the audio lines). And all the recordings that you can possibly listen and find today, are done using Belden or Canare, all along the process, if they are so bad why they still use them?

Patrick I will put you in time out, and will tell your daddy what you are doing with his money, OK? You will see what's gonna happen....
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post #504 of 578
1/28/07 at 2:07am
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Originally Posted by cotdt View Post
why don't you just send them your best cables and let them decide for themselves. people have to hear it for themselves.
I have tried, every skeptic I asked refused to try the cable when I offered it to them. It's too late now, I have given it away to someone who actually wants it. Skeptics won't believe how much they are missing out...They are losing big time.
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post #505 of 578
1/28/07 at 2:23am

Skeptics never learn

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Originally Posted by Sovkiller View Post
The only problem is that those "crappy cables" are the standard in the pro audio industry including multimillionary companies, that could afford even to have silver cables in the AC lines for the air conditioning system (besides for the audio lines). And all the recordings that you can possibly listen and find today, are done using Belden or Canare, all along the process, if they are so bad why they still use them?

Patrick I will put you in time out, and will tell your daddy what you are doing with his money, OK? You will see what's gonna happen....
You know when you record the sound it saves it into computer? Computer doesn't have ears...
If you are copying data you don't need high quality cables. Jitter is only important in real time output to human ears.

Skeptics think the human brain magically downloads the "data" when they listen to music. Their dream world...
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post #506 of 578
1/28/07 at 2:45am
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Originally Posted by Patrick82 View Post
You know when you record the sound it saves it into computer? Computer doesn't have ears...
If you are copying data you don't need high quality cables. Jitter is only important in real time output to human ears.
Patrick FYI, and I know that you belong to the digital UFO era, but a mike and many instruments: like guitars, pianos, winds, cymbals, drums, bass, etc...has not digital signal to transfer (except the ones with MIDI), they all work in the analog domain, some of them even acoustic, all of them use those cables you called crappy or in the mikes, or attached to the internal mikes they have. The sound is transmited in analog way, and later on mixed and recorded in a digital way...Cardas, Nordost, nor any other high end cable manufacturer, AFAIK, produce instruments cables...

But let's talk about all analog, no digital, 25-30 years ago while you probably were crawling if born, and in the 50's were I was not even born, digital and computer did not exist like nowdays, and were not used on recording studios at all...The sound back then was recorded and transfered all in analog way by those same crappy cables, some of those studios still use the same cables back then...

Please stop those absurd arguments...If you want to spend your family patrimony in cables that is up to you, but you will not find to many willing to do it, and less without any evidence...
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post #507 of 578
1/28/07 at 4:18am
Does anyone ever wonder why cable manufacturers and merchants don't ever test their own products? Or maybe they have, but don't tell the public.

Think about it. If you had a multimillion dollar company and a vocal group was calling your product snakeoil, wouldn't you want to do something about it? The manufacturers absolutely know they have critics, yet they do nothing. Why is this? Wouldn't any reasonable person want to put an end to the controversy?

If you were a cable manufacturer, wouldn't you also want conclusive tests to show your product to be superior to the competition? Look at what Intel and AMD do to each other. Why don't Nordost and Cardas, for example, do the same? If they could, it would be a huge sales advantage over the other, right?

And speaking of sales, conclusive testing would mean that the skeptics would probably end up buying their products. Meaning, of course, higher sales. They want increased sales, right?

But they don't do this. All you get are testimonials. Just like quack medicine. Also, notice how carefully worded their advertising is. It is always just shy of being on the hook for false and deceptive advertising. Why is this? Again, if you ran the company, wouldn't you want to be absolutely certain that your product was best and decisively address that in advertising?
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post #508 of 578
1/28/07 at 6:17am
Anyone tried aftermarket cables AND snake oil????

Just checking...
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post #509 of 578
1/28/07 at 10:59am
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Originally Posted by Uncle Erik View Post
Does anyone ever wonder why cable manufacturers and merchants don't ever test their own products? Or maybe they have, but don't tell the public.

Think about it. If you had a multimillionaire dollar company and a vocal group was calling your product snake-oil, wouldn't you want to do something about it? The manufacturers absolutely know they have critics, yet they do nothing. Why is this? Wouldn't any reasonable person want to put an end to the controversy?

If you were a cable manufacturer, wouldn't you also want conclusive tests to show your product to be superior to the competition? Look at what Intel and AMD do to each other. Why don't Nordost and Cardas, for example, do the same? If they could, it would be a huge sales advantage over the other, right?

And speaking of sales, conclusive testing would mean that the skeptics would probably end up buying their products. Meaning, of course, higher sales. They want increased sales, right?

But they don't do this. All you get are testimonials. Just like quack medicine. Also, notice how carefully worded their advertising is. It is always just shy of being on the hook for false and deceptive advertising. Why is this? Again, if you ran the company, wouldn't you want to be absolutely certain that your product was best and decisively address that in advertising?
I agree 100%, but I think that some of them simply do not care about those, if they still sell, while money enter in your account, decency goes out of the window, I know a couple of manufacturers at least that are literally ripping people off (and they know that) and they keep on doing it...BTW two very well know ones...

But as you say all what they always show, is a partial testimonials, followed by dots...and maybe a well known names under (which probably got their cables for free, and who knows what else) to make them appear with more authority/credibility...but IMO if no evidence = no much credibility from my side...

Also keep in mind that for the audiophile world one of the more controversial topics is this, what is good here, could be bad there, and vice, really really weird, they later on labeled that as "synergy" and the voodoo recipe is now complete, ready to be sold to the next naive customer with a fat wallet...

Also as you stated all what the skeptic ask for is an physical evidence, you give them this physical evidence and you convert them into a beleiver automatically...simply as that...things like God ratio, % speed of light, exotic proprietary materials that nobody knows, etc...doesn't hold too much water in my opinion for that purpose...
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post #510 of 578
1/28/07 at 2:31pm
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Originally Posted by Uncle Erik View Post
Does anyone ever wonder why cable manufacturers and merchants don't ever test their own products? Or maybe they have, but don't tell the public.

Think about it. If you had a multimillion dollar company and a vocal group was calling your product snakeoil, wouldn't you want to do something about it? The manufacturers absolutely know they have critics, yet they do nothing. Why is this? Wouldn't any reasonable person want to put an end to the controversy?

If you were a cable manufacturer, wouldn't you also want conclusive tests to show your product to be superior to the competition? Look at what Intel and AMD do to each other. Why don't Nordost and Cardas, for example, do the same? If they could, it would be a huge sales advantage over the other, right?

And speaking of sales, conclusive testing would mean that the skeptics would probably end up buying their products. Meaning, of course, higher sales. They want increased sales, right?

But they don't do this. All you get are testimonials. Just like quack medicine. Also, notice how carefully worded their advertising is. It is always just shy of being on the hook for false and deceptive advertising. Why is this? Again, if you ran the company, wouldn't you want to be absolutely certain that your product was best and decisively address that in advertising?
This is the same phenomenon that you observe with thousands of products. There is nothing unusal about the audio industry in this respect. E.g., how come Callaway doesn't have direct comparison tests with their golf clubs vs. TaylorMade? Does that mean all golf clubs perform exactly the same? And as far as "carefully worded advertising goes," you see that everywhere also, not just in the audio realm.

Your comments also assume that measurements tell the full and complete story, which is one of the primary issues that are the subject of the debate.
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