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post #61 of 2675
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Originally Posted by Carl
In my opinion, new Stax came out with the Omega II because the original Omega had far too small a profit margin and unacceptable reliability. It was forced onto the market to compete with the Orpheus. You can see in the Omega II's design lots of little shortcuts (not necessarily of the bad kind), like PCB stators that have been used to drive the production cost down. So Stax moved from the Omega 1 to Omega 2 for a reason. But what reason is for them to move over to an Omega 3? They've got sales, they've got margins.


In any case, older Staxes (SR-X, SR-5N, Lambda Signature, etc) really aren't that far behind the Omega II. It's the amplification that varies the most across the price range more than the headphones.
I do believe that the Omega I was a rush job to compete with the Orpheus. You can see this most clearly in the arc structure. The Omega 2's are built on the research that obviously continued after the Omega I was released. The Omega 2 is also released to soon after "new Stax" is born to be an original design. It was the engineers after all that rescued the company and they have the sense of having enough profit margins to survive.

There will be an Omega 3 in the future for the simple reason is that they can do better. This is the aim of any company that isn't just in it for the money. In most small scale manufacture the motto is simple. If you can do better you do it, profit margins be damned!

The older Stax phones are better then nearly every thing out there but the O2's are much, much better in my system at least. The truth is that you have to own the Omega and live with it for a long time to get to know it. Optimal pads position, the right headband pressure, the right position over the ears, a very good amp and a lot of good silver wires in the system. For me it was the right amp and the correct headband pressure that sealed the deal. Until then I was never fully satisfied with them. The bass was slightly anemic and would almost disappear at times.

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post #62 of 2675
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Yes, there'll certainly be an Omega 3 (not necessarily by that name), but it'd be unwise to assume that anything is immenent. Even old Stax weren't that fast with product evolution, and they were crazy.
post #63 of 2675
Hmmmm. Stax SR003 with a Stax 252II. Runs on 12 V. Doesn't this make great sense to set up in the car to be able to enjoy electrostatic sound on those drives? Might be worth trying.
post #64 of 2675
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Originally Posted by Carl
Yes, there'll certainly be an Omega 3 (not necessarily by that name), but it'd be unwise to assume that anything is immenent. Even old Stax weren't that fast with product evolution, and they were crazy.
I'm certainly not holding my breath for it...
post #65 of 2675
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Originally Posted by Carl
The 4070 uses what is effectively a bass reflex housing..
Where did Stax stick the port? or does it take a leaf from the K340 book and use passive diaphragms?
post #66 of 2675
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by wualta
Where did Stax stick the port? or does it take a leaf from the K340 book and use passive diaphragms?
I don't think there is a single photo on the net of its insides. If you can wait say a month, I'll be the big man and dismantle one and take some photos.
post #67 of 2675
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Originally Posted by Carl
I don't think there is a single photo on the net of its insides. If you can wait say a month, I'll be the big man and dismantle one and take some photos.
you=the man.
i cant wait for photos.
i hope its something that can be coppied easily. it would be a shame if it used a hybrid lambda/omega2 driver: oval shape, BUT a lot of space with no holes... maybe it would work well.
post #68 of 2675
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Originally Posted by nikongod
you=the man.
i cant wait for photos.
i hope its something that can be coppied easily. it would be a shame if it used a hybrid lambda/omega2 driver: oval shape, BUT a lot of space with no holes... maybe it would work well.
The sigmas, lambdas and 4070 all use the same drivers. You could, given the desire to do so, take the drivers out of a SR-Sigma, put them in a 4070, and plug the 4070 into a low bias amp, and it would indeed work.

Now whether you would actually want to do that I cannot say, but it's always an option should you want to. I'd personally like to try out some Pro Sig drivers in there, just for kicks.
post #69 of 2675
In case any of you are interested, I will be selling a complete Stax Classic 2 System. I also have a rad SACD player (Philips SACD 1000, Stereophile Recommended) I could throw in.


I am going off to college, and I don't want my system in that enviroment.
post #70 of 2675

4070 "Problems"

STAX Friends & Colleagues,

the fit issue with the 4070 should be solved, AFAIK.
I had one of the very first models (around 2001) for a demo, and fit was lousy indeed.
Just recently, I had a chance to listen to a newer one; this one had the swivel system modified and fit was OK (at least the ones sold in Switzerland are OK, I should add!).

But be aware: it's still heavy and DOES NOT match the sound quality of the Omega 2; so the question arises: what is the 4070 good for ??

IF you want excellent ("the best") sound quality formost: You select the Omega.
Should you require better sound isolation, the 4070 is not that good for this - you would look for say the ATH- L3000 or another closed model.

Regards

Urs

who just become the owner of an L3000, with CEC HD53R... in addition to the Omega 2 & 007T
post #71 of 2675

...addicted to LISTENING....

...and then ...we are so addicted to LISTENING to our STAXES, we have no time to write about them !!
(maybe, that's why folks, who own the higher models have no time left to contribute to the Forum ??)

Urs



PSSST: I'm at the office - where there are no Staxes anyway....
post #72 of 2675
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by urs
STAX Friends & Colleagues,

the fit issue with the 4070 should be solved, AFAIK.
I had one of the very first models (around 2001) for a demo, and fit was lousy indeed.
Just recently, I had a chance to listen to a newer one; this one had the swivel system modified and fit was OK (at least the ones sold in Switzerland are OK, I should add!).

But be aware: it's still heavy and DOES NOT match the sound quality of the Omega 2; so the question arises: what is the 4070 good for ??

IF you want excellent ("the best") sound quality formost: You select the Omega.
Should you require better sound isolation, the 4070 is not that good for this - you would look for say the ATH- L3000 or another closed model.

Regards

Urs

who just become the owner of an L3000, with CEC HD53R... in addition to the Omega 2 & 007T
The fit issue was fixed way back in 2002. I've heard that the newer design has had a few issues for people with big heads, though.

Does the 4070 even need to match the sound signature of the Omega 2? If you want the Omega 2's sound signature, you'll buy the Omega now, won't you. The 4070 is designed for monitoring, not music listening.
post #73 of 2675
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Originally Posted by urs
STAX Friends & Colleagues,

.Should you require better sound isolation, the 4070 is not that good for this - you would look for say the ATH- L3000 or another closed model.

Regards

Urs
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Just how much sound isolation does it provide?
post #74 of 2675
Yeah. With the price of the SR-007 vs. the 4070, I'd imagine that the SR-007, even being a little more, would be of a much greater value if the drivers are normally in $400 headphones. Btw, does anyone know what the SR-Ω retailed for?
post #75 of 2675
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Originally Posted by Meyvn
Yeah. With the price of the SR-007 vs. the 4070, I'd imagine that the SR-007, even being a little more, would be of a much greater value if the drivers are normally in $400 headphones.
The Omega IIs drivers can't cost much more than the 303/404/4070's drivers. They're just mylar and epoxy circuit boards.

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Btw, does anyone know what the SR-Ω retailed for?
Same as the Omega II does.
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