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post #2191 of 2675
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Originally Posted by dcfis View Post
I can solder pretty good but Id have to have "put this there directions"
The problem about DIY tube gear isn't learning to solder, which is easy enough once you discover a soldering iron you can control heatwise. I was soldering beautifully within an hour of giving up on electric irons and starting to use a Portasol gas pocket iron that the hams dismissed as a "toy". I was introduced to the Portasol by the guy who came to fix my computers. I still use one of those; it makes beautiful joints.

The problem about DIY tube gear isn't the instructions either. Lotsa kits have excellent instructions, Bottlehead/VALVE/Electronic Tonalities kits for instance, in Europe the fine Velleman kits. There are only a few kinds of components and their ratings are usually printed on them to make it easier.

The problem about DIY tube gear is that you need to learn at least enough about electricity to be able test and adjust the built amp safely in the presence of life-threatening voltages. That can take a little study because you need to know enough about how the amp works to be able to reduce the number of times you put your hands into it to a minimum, and to do whatever needs to be done accurately and safely the first time; it is stupid to mess around without a plan in box with hundreds of volts inside it. You also you need someone experienced to show you and to stand by the first few times you do it; elderly radio hams helped me when I started out. All of these requirements can slow down your first tube kit quite a bit.

Anecdote warning: About ten years ago I published a whole series of related 300B amp circuits people could build with only one big transformer hit in the wallet, or a progressive expenditure by starting cheap and adding complications. This got a lot of publicity and far more people than I expected actually built the amps. Of those who wrote to me, more than half were buying a soldering iron and a multimeter for the first time to work on a 500V amp as their first project. Nuts! These guys weren't technicians of any kind (techies tend to choose my PP amps to build because PP is more efficient), and the one who was an engineer built sewerage works. I was horrified at the risk they ran. A couple of years later I decided not to publish the designs of my kilovolt T99 Millennium's End 75W SE amp for fear that someone would kill himself trying to build it without a proper understanding of what he was dealing with. A fellow at the university said I shouldn't be so wimpish and showed me a device they have which they measure with a probe on the end of a two-meter glassfiber rod because it is such high tension electricity, it will jump a gap of a couple of *feet*. Of course, that's pretty extreme, but you don't actually need to touch much lower voltages; they too will jump a gap to your skin. Someone also needs to tell you simple things, like taking off your jewellery before you put your hand (one hand, the other should be in your pocket or behind your back) anywhere near electricity, and how to discharge capacitors. A charged up 220uF cap at a few hundred volts just brushed with a wedding ring contains enough energy to cook your finger; it might have to be amputated; at the very least you'll have a nasty burn.

I'm not trying to put you off DIY tube amps but it is in your own interest to learn how to work safely with high voltages, and to take great care.

Here's a good question to ask yourself: If you aren't paranoid, why are you working with high voltage tube amps?

BTW, a kit is one thing, a scratchbuild quite another. Unless you really know what you're doing, or the kit designer provides a complete parts list with catalogue numbers from a single supplier, don't even think about it. Small example of how you can go wrong: most resistors in mailorder catalogues are not rated for valve voltages; you need to check the ratings with the manufacturers if the catalogue doesn't give them. If you're scratchbuilding the cost of carriage from several suppliers, and the cost of even halfway decent casework, can make the complete project cost two or three times as much as a premium commercial product.

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post #2192 of 2675
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Originally Posted by krmathis View Post
I could.
But I am afraid that if Burmester would build one, that it would be WAY above what i am willing to pay. Most likely $20.000+
Yeah, most likely. ^__^;

I would quite like to hear his amp one day, though. Maybe I'll try imposing myself on him if I'm ever in Deuschland on a holiday.


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I thought the seller wouldn't ship internationally? How did you get him to do it?
I used a deputy service. It adds a bit to the price, of course, but the price was good enough I'm not going to sweat that too much.
post #2193 of 2675
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Originally Posted by smeggy View Post
I was thinking of the 717. It may be better than the 007 as well, some certainly think so as many don't hold the current Stax amps in high regard for whatever reason. It depends on personal preference as to what you'd like better but these things can get damn difficult to audition and very costly if you pick the wrong one. It sucks having to buy blind.
I for one still like the 007t. The KGSS and Blue Hawaii are a step up, at least in terms of dynamics and fine detailing, but that doesn't take away from the musicality of the 007t. The ES1 is currently the top electrostatic amp available right now, IMO, but it's been awhile since I've heard the Gilmore designs at any length.

I also like the McAllister amps that I've heard, although I still prefer the ES1. Right now, Peter McAllister is not taking orders for new amps until he fills orders already placed. At that time, he will start taking orders again, but pricing will be increased to more realistic levels.

The Aristaeus was a limited production run that the buyers got for a steal. I had talked to Justin several times during the process of getting this amp out, and had heard the prototype. If he had known everything that he had to do to complete the amp, the price would have been considerably higher. If he ever gets over the trauma of building those amps and decides to try it again, pricing will almost certainly be more realistic.
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Good advice Mr. Jute and for me I agree. To be honest Im less worried about severely shocking myself than burning down my house or business. Especially paranoid about it happening when Im not there- Thats my little phobia.Though not to discount severely shocking yourself either. I was planning on doing like I have done in the past with bottleheads and even some diy stuff. Have fun getting the parts and putting it together. Then have a local guru set it up or the local tube repair guy.
post #2195 of 2675
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The Aristaeus was a limited production run that the buyers got for a steal. I had talked to Justin several times during the process of getting this amp out, and had heard the prototype. If he had known everything that he had to do to complete the amp, the price would have been considerably higher. If he ever gets over the trauma of building those amps and decides to try it again, pricing will almost certainly be more realistic.
Its always the same song and dance with these guys. I cant decide if they like producing amps or not, seems like they get their fair share in price and in a market that is small but not saturated. Besides wasnt the aristaeus over $4K??? Sound to me that they buy an amount of parts and assemble them then move on to another product with better profit instead of keeping parts stock. Thus manipulating the value of their product keeping the numbers low and the profits high with no after the fact capitol investment to eat into the profits. Im all for making a fair profit but these pseudo limited production profits are wearing thin.
post #2196 of 2675
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Originally Posted by dcfis View Post
Its always the same song and dance with these guys. I cant decide if they like producing amps or not, seems like they get their fair share in price and in a market that is small but not saturated. Besides wasnt the aristaeus over $4K??? Sound to me that they buy an amount of parts and assemble them then move on to another product with better profit instead of keeping parts stock. Thus manipulating the value of their product keeping the numbers low and the profits high with no after the fact capitol investment to eat into the profits. Im all for making a fair profit but these pseudo limited production profits are wearing thin.
But the Aristaetus was meant to be a one-time production only; it's not like HeadAmp doesn't produce another electrostat amp: the KGSS. That one is regular production, so the price is much more reasonable. It's not like every electrostat amp made by HeadAmp is limited-production.
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Same dance with the KGBH. And I agree its not just them but they are making a dream off the KGSS especially when they didnt design it Dr Gilmore did so all they did was assembly and tweeks. Also the Aristaetus was intentionally a limited production to make the profit THEY wanted. Manuf 101 is if you have a captive marked with little options and high demand, lower supply. The oil guys do it the best, PS3 before Christmas?, Tickle me Elmo?
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Originally Posted by Azure View Post
Well, I think most of us "poorer" folks would think "Do you REALLY need a solid state amplifier above the KGSS?" If you have a maxxed KGSS, and you still have the upgraditis curse, why not upgrade your source or something?
It seems to me that there's a few who aren't so taken with tubes that would like an ES-1 level solid state amp. Makes me glad I like tubes.

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/me really want that pair of SR-Σ Pro, but I will try to stay clear...
But please inform me the next time you find an ESC-1001 for sale!
Then when one does may the bidding war commence! ^_^

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Finding rare stuff can be fun, though.
Yeah, seeing it go for 27,000 yen made me wish I'd stayed up to 3AM for the bidding but then it seems it would have just gone higher. Ah well, always next time.
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It seems to me that there's a few who aren't so taken with tubes that would like an ES-1 level solid state amp. Makes me glad I like tubes.


Then when one does may the bidding war commence! ^_^


Yeah, seeing it go for 27,000 yen made me wish I'd stayed up to 3AM for the bidding but then it seems it would have just gone higher. Ah well, always next time.
Thankfully I'm officially out of the phone buying phase at least for the time being. Now I need some cool ampage to service the SR-X and K1000. As they sound similar the same amp should work nicely for both.

It might happen One day too if I can ever get my wife to stop pissing away all our cash.
post #2200 of 2675
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Originally Posted by Carl View Post
Yeah, most likely. ^__^;
I would quite like to hear his amp one day, though. Maybe I'll try imposing myself on him if I'm ever in Deuschland on a holiday.
That would have been something.
I have been to Berlin multiple times, where I actually became aware of the Burmester brand. They had a speaker rig worth DEM300.000 (about $200,000) on display at KaDeWe (Europe's largest department store).
Their product are top notch, and I am sure their HE90 amplifier are amazing as well!

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/me really want that pair of SR-Σ Pro, but I will try to stay clear...
But please inform me the next time you find an ESC-1001 for sale!
Then when one does may the bidding war commence! ^_^
Highly possible!
But if I end up going th energizer/amp route, then I might look into buying a new ESC-1001 from Japan. Then let you guys fight over the next one for sale..
post #2201 of 2675
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Highly possible!
But if I end up going th energizer/amp route, then I might look into buying a new ESC-1001 from Japan. Then let you guys fight over the next one for sale..
I was actually thinking of the same thing. I'm sure at least one of the deputy places would be willing to buy these things on our behalf. I'm in no rush though.
post #2202 of 2675
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I was actually thinking of the same thing. I'm sure at least one of the deputy places would be willing to buy these things on our behalf. I'm in no rush though.
I am pretty sure PriceJapan could help us.
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post #2203 of 2675
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I am pretty sure PriceJapan could help us.
EIFL too I would think.

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I am pretty sure PriceJapan could help us.
I would be very interested in this also. Might be worth checking into.
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EIFL too I would think.
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I would be very interested in this also. Might be worth checking into.
I have sent a Price Quote to PriceJapan. So 'mirumu', perhaps you can contact EIFL?

The price from Sichoya are 68,250 Yen. Add 5% fee and we end up at 71.660 Yen (close to $600), plus shipping. A bit hefty compared to the SRD-7 Pro, but might be worth it!
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