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post #1021 of 2675
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Originally Posted by Tachikoma View Post
The gamma is held together by screws that are underneath the pads - getting the pads off will probably destroy the adhesive material. The drivers are also attached to the enclosure by the same sort of adhesive so I wouldn't recommend taking them apart, unless you have some really strong double-sided tape handy.
Thanks Tachi, good to know.

Oh, the waiting thing... I won my Gamma auction, they were posted out and arrived here in Seattle just past midnight Thursday. Because of thanksgiving I have to wait until Monday when I'm back at work

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Tubes cause distortion? Maybe that's why the SN ratio and harmonic distortion of tube amps are always worse than solid state ones...

Why aren't I hearing distortion? I've got two glowing tubes in my amp
Don't tubes add warmth/musicality, which is just a nicer name for distortion (How else do you create warmth than by adding distortions to take away from the raw, cold sound?)?
post #1023 of 2675
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Don't tubes add warmth/musicality, which is just a nicer name for distortion (How else do you create warmth than by adding distortions to take away from the raw, cold sound?)?
Not all distortion is created equal. This page goes into quite a bit of detail.
post #1024 of 2675
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Don't tubes add warmth/musicality, which is just a nicer name for distortion (How else do you create warmth than by adding distortions to take away from the raw, cold sound?)?
Who says raw sound is cold?
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Last thoughts before I pull the trigger?

I hope to be ordering a new pair of Omega 2s with the new 727 amp within a few days. I have decided to go with a Stax amp initially, and can always change for another make at a later date. I mostly listen to classical, full orchestral music, but like most genres. If anyone wants to give me any information, or has strong feelings about the Stax 007t MK2 vs. the 727, please let me know?
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Don't tubes add warmth/musicality, which is just a nicer name for distortion (How else do you create warmth than by adding distortions to take away from the raw, cold sound?)?
Both tubes and transistors introduce distortion and non-linearities. The best tubes have less distortion than the best transistors, however tubes are more expensive, meaning most tube designers have favoured cheaper, higher distortion tubes like 12AX7s, 12BZ7s, 6DJ8s, and power pentodes. The only devices truely capable of low-distortion operation without use of negitive feedback are low-gain direct heated triodes. DHTs are, unfortunatly, expensive, hard to design for, and involve high voltages.

Music is not raw or cold. It sounds exactly like it does live. Negitive feedback, capacitor colouration (esp. from electrolytics), high gain devices, lack of current headroom, cheap and nasty diodes like zeners in the signal path, and so on all have adverse effects on musicality. None of these things need to be used on solid state amps (although things get a bit more difficult without them), and a well designed solid state amp can be as musical as all but the very best tube amps. Unfortunatly most designers care more about THD+N specs and large DC frequency ranges than they care about making something musical, the latter costs more and specs worse.
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That's what my ears tell me. If you're looking for a balanced sound, then the 001/003 may not impress. The 003 has a punchier bass than the 404 and an overall slightly darker sound.

I haven't heard the LDII+ -> K501, but based on my experience with the K701 (if they're similar sounding), you should really skip the in ear Stax for a real upgrade. The 2020 system is great. I've never heard the system as a whole, but I have heard the 202 out of a 717, which was very very nice. Personally speaking though, the K701 probably has the potential to exceed the performance of the 202 earspeakers with some proper, expensive amping.

If you like the 2020, why don't you get it?
simple, money is the problem. Im thinking about the 001 in ear system for an upgrade from my er6i.

how would it sound in comparison to my etys or the 501 and LDII+ for anyone who has heard the in ear system.

or do you think that its not worth it and should i just save for the 2020 system?
post #1028 of 2675
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simple, money is the problem. Im thinking about the 001 in ear system for an upgrade from my er6i.

how would it sound in comparison to my etys or the 501 and LDII+ for anyone who has heard the in ear system.

or do you think that its not worth it and should i just save for the 2020 system?
I wouldn't dare to say that the 001MkII system isn't worth the money. It's very cheap indeed and offers IMHO E500 rivalling performance. However, I'm not too sure it's an upgrade to your AKGs. Just comparing the 003/006tMk1 to the K701/Headfive, the Stax in ears have a smoother sound and the highs are not as shrill (read slightly rolled off). The bass has more presence. Rolled off highs give me the impression that they're very slightly muddy in the lower midrange. However, the Stax in ears are actually very detailed upon more careful listening.

001MkII vs ER6i: They have different sound signatures, but the 001MkII is definitely better from a purely technical standpoint. The biggest difference is the additional detail and the more substantial bass (well controlled too). IMHO, the difference is night and day and the 001MkII should sound more refined than the ER6i.

Remember, I'm basing my comments on my experience with the 003/006tMk1 and not from actual experience of the 001MkII. The SR-001 is a solid state energiser and might make the 001 sound completely different. Also, the 001 uses a more compact cable/connector, which might also have an effect on the sound.

The 2020 system is great, but I feel there are people who are more qualified than I am to comment on it eg people who have actually owned it like Duggeh. I listened to the 202 earspeakers driven out of the SRM-717 (top of the line solid state Stax energiser bar its successor, the 727), which isn't indicative of the SR-202's performance with the SRM-252II. What I can say is the 202/717 was definitely better than the K701/Hornet M. However, I don't feel the Hornet M does the K701 justice at all.

So many choices, but so little money! This is a common problem that I face too Whichever you choose to buy, I hope you like it!

So it has been a whole week since I first joined team Stax and I have to say they're very good! The 404/006tMk1 is a breathtaking experience and brought a whole new dimension to my listening that I never thought existed. The only problem I have has to do with the slightly dry midrange (similar to what you get with the Portapros, but to a much lesser extent) with certain recordings, eg I violini di Cremona: Omaggio a Kreisler - Accardo. The result is an extraordinary amount of detail at the expense of warmth. Hence, I'm thinking a bit about the X-10 V3 Tube Buffer, warmer source/interconnects, etc...
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The 2020 system is great, but I feel there are people who are more qualified than I am to comment on it eg people who have actually owned it like Duggeh.
If my parents hadn't bought me the Omega 2 system, I would still be using the Stax 2020 as my primary system, and it would have remained so in spite of all the other headphones I have owned since its departure. The HD650, K340, HF-1, Ergo 2, Jecklin Float 1&2 are all far inferior to my Stax loving ears. The SR-202 in unquestionably my favourite headphone which I no longer own. The 2020 setup IMHO offers the best value at its price range (second hand) that I have heard, the only reason that I sold mine was to aid funding my Ergo AMT purchase.

I love the AMT, but I do often wonder if I would be better off with an SR-404 instead. I'm sure I'll eventually get a shot of Jonathans and be able to make that choice. ;D

The little Lambda does a lot right, and scales very well with a bigger amp, its also much more attractive than the 303 and 404 imho.
post #1030 of 2675
i think il get the 2020 (one day...)

ive heard it but not for long. its got really nice everything:P bass, mids and treble sound so organic but so musical as well. i havent heard anything better than the stax classic system to me. i havent hear THE best dynamic headphones but i find electrostatic to be superior.

One more thing.. what is a cheap, bright source for the earspeakers?
post #1031 of 2675
what about the 005a system? is that even portable?? does it also have that treble roll off like the 001 has?
post #1032 of 2675
The 005 and the 001 are the same headphone, the difference is the connector, the 001 has the portable stax connector and the 005 a pro-bias 5 pin plug. I should imagine that if everything else about them is the same then they wil share the same sonic characteristics, including the treble roll off that some have reported.
post #1033 of 2675
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Originally Posted by Duggeh View Post
The 005 and the 001 are the same headphone, the difference is the connector, the 001 has the portable stax connector and the 005 a pro-bias 5 pin plug. I should imagine that if everything else about them is the same then they wil share the same sonic characteristics, including the treble roll off that some have reported.
The mini amp is fairly dark sounding tonally. The tonal balance is more neutral from one of Stax's full-size solid state amps. The treble roll off is caused by the headphones themself.
post #1034 of 2675
so is the 005 system portable or not?
post #1035 of 2675
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so is the 005 system portable or not?
It's not portable but it is small enough to be transportable. You need to plug it into a wall socket. It is driven by a DC powerpack so potentially you could drive it off a battery pack of some sort if you really wanted to.
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