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post #121 of 135
7/28/06 at 7:35am
In Australia, no stores stocked shures...
The online stores that do charged around $800 AUS for e5c --> more than $600
And as far as 'warranties' go, we have to go to Singapore for warranty services
Good one shure
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post #122 of 135
7/28/06 at 9:30am
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Originally Posted by warpdriver
For sure there is somewhat of a premium due to taxes/shipping fees, but sometimes the price disparity is still out of line. The only way to account for that is the middleman taking a cut.

Here's a particularly extreme example: Grado prices the SR60 at $129 Canadian + local taxes. The US price is $69.00 USD MSRP. I could physically drive myself to the nearest Grado shop 3 hours away in the USA and still come out ahead

Let's not forget the fact that supposedly, North America (including Mexico to the south) is supposed to benefit from the so-called NAFTA agreements that would mean that SFM (now Shure Canada) should be paying minimal importing costs...

Edited from original for accuracy of statement
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post #123 of 135
7/28/06 at 11:02am
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Originally Posted by omendelovitz
Let's not forget the fact that supposedly, North America (including Mexico to the south) is supposed to benefit from the so-called NAFTA agreements that would mean that SFM (now Shure Canada) should not be paying ANY import fees other than shipping...
Yeah, and by definition the EU allows for the free movement of goods across borders. They already have the relationships with the brick and mortar stores. Would it cost so much more to handle the shipments from one location? They already have locations in Europe. And besides that, there's this thing called teh intrawebs, and it's like a series of tubes, and not a truck. People can send orders through these tubes and receive their Shures via the trucks customs free.

But people forget about that chapter in the business book.
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post #124 of 135
7/28/06 at 11:04am
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Originally Posted by omendelovitz
Let's not forget the fact that supposedly, North America (including Mexico to the south) is supposed to benefit from the so-called NAFTA agreements that would mean that SFM (now Shure Canada) should not be paying ANY import fees other than shipping...
NAFTA only works with products MADE in the US/CAN/MEX. If the products are imported from Europe/Asia, duties can apply.

In terms of Grado, these items should be duty free upon importation to Canada...so yes, NAFTA will apply. So if the SR60 is $70 USD, it should be around $80 CAD. The pricing is up to the distributor, but keep in mind that the distributor is responsible for all marketing in their country, repairs etc....so the overhead will be a bit higher in Canada and the disributor will have to make up for it.

Like I've said, as the Canadian distributor for Ultrasone, we try to keep prices competitive with US prices, as the dollar is so close now, prices have to be within 10%, otherwise, we'd lose business.

Because of the current exchange rates, I beleive other distributors should do the same so they can be competitive as well.

But as Canadians, we know this happens rarely....the dollar has been very high for a while now, and most of our other consumer goods are still overpriced!

Take cars for example....a Subaru WRX in the US is $25K, in Canada its $35K....which comes out to approx $31K USD...overcharged by $6K for us Canadians!
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post #125 of 135
7/28/06 at 12:21pm
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Originally Posted by Jonny G
NAFTA only works with products MADE in the US/CAN/MEX. If the products are imported from Europe/Asia, duties can apply.

In terms of Grado, these items should be duty free upon importation to Canada...so yes, NAFTA will apply. So if the SR60 is $70 USD, it should be around $80 CAD. The pricing is up to the distributor, but keep in mind that the distributor is responsible for all marketing in their country, repairs etc....so the overhead will be a bit higher in Canada and the disributor will have to make up for it.

Like I've said, as the Canadian distributor for Ultrasone, we try to keep prices competitive with US prices, as the dollar is so close now, prices have to be within 10%, otherwise, we'd lose business.

Because of the current exchange rates, I beleive other distributors should do the same so they can be competitive as well.

But as Canadians, we know this happens rarely....the dollar has been very high for a while now, and most of our other consumer goods are still overpriced!

Take cars for example....a Subaru WRX in the US is $25K, in Canada its $35K....which comes out to approx $31K USD...overcharged by $6K for us Canadians!
Yes, these atrocities occur daily I'm glad to see at least one distributor sees the light! At any rate, in Shure's case (as in Grados' case), most of their stuff is made in the USA anyway, so import tariffs shouldn't apply.

As far as overhead is concerned, you do have a point there, which I (and I believe most of the head-fiers responding to this thread) will concede; however, those costs should account for a 5% to 10% increase in price, not the exorbitant price increases we've seen to date in these scenarios.
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post #126 of 135
7/28/06 at 1:13pm
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Originally Posted by plainsong
Yeah, they put a lot of air in the prices, even taking shipping and VAT into account, and a little bit extra for customer service and what not, there's still too much air there for many products.

In a global economy, the distributor is quickly becoming obsolete. Trying to enforce these kind of protection agreements is just them protecting a dying business model. But companies wanting to break into international markets are so scared they don't see any other way, so they trust the middleman to get the product to market, and it usually just doesn't happen.
I Agree entirely with you Plainsong. It's a global economy and free trade in effect. Many companies have to learn how to cut middle man to cut on costs to be more competitive.
I love DELL Direct Philosophy.

Now it's Generation X, Information Age, must keep up with the technology. Doing business can no longer be bounded by areas or countries.

If your product is selling very well in one area, there is no reason why that particular product is not selling well in other places. The Distributor might be the cause of the problem due to bad service, passive business practice. To get solely Distributor rights, at least that distributor must have a revenue target by Shure. There are many irresponsible distributors out there, that's because they don't have anything to lose. The worst part they just close business and become distributor for other products. But for Shure it's a big lost. it's their brand image, it's their research, it's their manufacturing facility. I have seen so many crappy distributors out there.

Imagine if Shell distributor is selling gas in UK for $50/gallons, Who has the right to protect the customers?

Sorry don't have too much spare time to write this in a nice way.
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post #127 of 135
7/28/06 at 2:22pm
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Originally Posted by plainsong
They already have locations in Europe. And besides that, there's this thing called teh intrawebs, and it's like a series of tubes, and not a truck. People can send orders through these tubes and receive their Shures via the trucks customs free.
Lol, please see my sig.
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post #128 of 135
7/28/06 at 2:29pm
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Originally Posted by Jonny G
NAFTA only works with products MADE in the US/CAN/MEX.

Take cars for example....a Subaru WRX in the US is $25K, in Canada its $35K....which comes out to approx $31K USD...overcharged by $6K for us Canadians!
the WRX is 130k in my country...thats about USD$81k...

anyway just got news that the e500s are going for about the equilavence of USD$520...
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post #129 of 135
7/28/06 at 4:03pm
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Originally Posted by fongalv
the WRX is 130k in my country...thats about USD$81k...
Holy smokes! These bloated Canadian prices are a bargain in comparison!
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post #130 of 135
7/29/06 at 2:13pm
Long time reader, first time poster here


I can't complain about the pricing or avaliability here in Sweden, I noticed www.dustin.se (one of the larger and more reputable internetshops here) had them stocked a couple of days ago, so I took the plunge and ordered. They were sent out the same day .


It was quite surprising to see them have such a low price (only 3395 SEK = 465$) since dustin usually is a bit overpriced compared to other internetshops. It's possible that they put them down too low though, since they also sell E5C, which they want 3950 SEK for which is 540$.

I'm getting them on monday, can barely wait since I got an 5g ipod today which will be rockboxed shortly
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post #131 of 135
7/29/06 at 2:40pm
Monkey, funniest speach evar.

A bit OT, but why doesn't Dustin ship to Finland? We're right next door for heaven's sakes. Not talking about the E500's, but there have been times when Dustin was the only place that had what I needed, and of course they'd never heard of Finland.

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Originally Posted by Pettnolf
Long time reader, first time poster here


I can't complain about the pricing or avaliability here in Sweden, I noticed www.dustin.se (one of the larger and more reputable internetshops here) had them stocked a couple of days ago, so I took the plunge and ordered. They were sent out the same day .


It was quite surprising to see them have such a low price (only 3395 SEK = 465$) since dustin usually is a bit overpriced compared to other internetshops. It's possible that they put them down too low though, since they also sell E5C, which they want 3950 SEK for which is 540$.

I'm getting them on monday, can barely wait since I got an 5g ipod today which will be rockboxed shortly
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post #132 of 135
8/2/06 at 8:35am
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Originally Posted by Febs
Finally, Shure has one of the best warranty programs there is, period. A two year warranty for IEMS?! That is phenomenal. You're new to this forum, but if you look around, you'll find tons of praise of Shure's outstanding warranty service, and few, if any, complaints
Well, they are forced by law if they want to sell their products in Europe. 2 years warranty is mandatory.
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post #133 of 135
8/3/06 at 11:56pm
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Originally Posted by carlosgp
Well, they are forced by law if they want to sell their products in Europe. 2 years warranty is mandatory.
I thought it was one year, but otherwise, yuuup, if you buy electronics here, the store prints out another receipt that's your warranty. Keep it for a year, or sometimes two. I thought it was only the year that was actually mandatory though.
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post #134 of 135
8/4/06 at 12:20am
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Originally Posted by Jonny G
Because of the current exchange rates, I beleive other distributors should do the same so they can be competitive as well.

But as Canadians, we know this happens rarely....the dollar has been very high for a while now, and most of our other consumer goods are still overpriced!

Take cars for example....a Subaru WRX in the US is $25K, in Canada its $35K....which comes out to approx $31K USD...overcharged by $6K for us Canadians!
This strong CAD isn't helping the canadian economy very much. We're mostly an exporting economy so it's bad on that side, and now that the looney has gone up, you'd expect the prices of imports to go down but it just remained the same. What's up with that?
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post #135 of 135
8/6/06 at 5:54pm
Can't anyone in the US get some of these and put them on eBay?

I have money burning a hole in my pocket here in the UK, which I would be happy to part with for a pair of these. I thought you guys were supposed to be capitalists?

There's a market screaming out to be exploited here.

GJ
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