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post #16 of 133
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Originally Posted by mrarroyo
I think some of you are being over critical of this unit. I personally am very happy with the rca outputs feeding my headphone amp. It so happens I got me a DAC and now the DVP642 is functioning as a transport only, however the sound is very good. At +/-$52 delivered it is a major bargain.
I just don't get why it should be better than an average inexpensive DVD player for redbook CD playback, particularly through the analog outs, that's all. Is there something special about its internal build quality or something?

Edit -- maybe I should listen and compare it to the Toshiba SD3980. But I'll probably just wait until I get done saving for a Zhaolu, then see which sounds better (if either... seems likely they're in the same class of performance when using an external DAC).

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did you actually open it and look? all these cheap players are either zoran or ess.
Wouldn't that be the chipset? And wouldn't that be meaningless? It's the DAC that matters (at least through the analog outs), not the CODEC chip.
post #17 of 133
Thread Starter 
it's analog outs suck if you are comparing it to $600 redbook players.
as a transport it is probably the best $50 unit currently made for cd's(stock).
once modded the transport can operate at a more consistent speed with better power. also better power suplied to a better clock will improve the spdif output and bring it up to 24/192. the spdif should be wired directly to the ic pins bypassing all the unnesscesary stuff in its path. since it has a good stable transport to begin with it is now made better. i used dynamat and vibrapods blue tacked the clock. now i am outputting no audible jitter bit perfect spdif stream(i have measured it). i doubt it will have a long life but it does sound like a $2,000 transport as long as i use a quality dac now.

stock it is still a better than the current toshiba for cd's only. the new toshiba sucks imho. the old ones were much better. the whole thing that you folks are missing is that i took an ok transport and made a lot better, i am not using it's dac. i have tapped the spdif stream at it's source. the platter is now pretty stable. if you are just going to take the unit as it comes and hook up the analog outputs then the $300 players will probably best it. stock to a dac the $300 players will not best it. modified it will best $2,000 players with a dac. modding the toshiba was very popular and rendered great results(regardless of what sovkiller says). the supply of old toshibas is over. i see this as the new base to mod. quite frankly no transport made today is as good as 15 year old ones when used strictly as transports. the old dacs obviously suck. also, forget about using this thing for video it sucks. if you want a good all around player completely stock for all formats then the pioneer is on clearance(dv-45a).

you must realise in which manner i am using this and how the mods have optimised that usage. if you take it out of the box and hook it up to the analog outputs i doubt you will be impressed unless you keep in mind that it is only $50 not $500!


music_man
post #18 of 133
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Originally Posted by fewtch
I just don't get why it should be better than an average inexpensive DVD player for redbook CD playback, particularly through the analog outs, that's all. Is there something special about its internal build quality or something?
My guess is that it is a bog-standard cheapo DVD player. For me the revelation is that the difference between this (cheaper than many peoples' interconnects) player and a dedicated CD player is much less than I had expected.

I bought mine just to play MP3 as my portable MP3 player is at work. What I found was that (playing redbook) at $60 it is near indistinguishable (to me anyway) from my budget (but well regarded) CD player (NADC542). Let me stress I would really have preferred it if the NAD had been vastly superior or even just markedly superior. My inability to tell a big difference has many possible interpretations and some are quite depressing.

The good part is that this experience has completely stopped my upgrade trail and now I just enjoy the listening to music bit, maybe I am completely deluded but it is a cheap delusion
post #19 of 133
I own 6 of these players but never thought about modding any of them till now. Of course I mostly use them for xvid playback but have been looking for a cd transport to go with and never actually considered these. I have an Onkyo DV-S939 that I still need to get repaired. I was going to use it. But in the meantime... hmmmm.
post #20 of 133
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Originally Posted by hciman77
My guess is that it is a bog-standard cheapo DVD player. For me the revelation is that the difference between this (cheaper than many peoples' interconnects) player and a dedicated CD player is much less than I had expected.

I bought mine just to play MP3 as my portable MP3 player is at work. What I found was that (playing redbook) at $60 it is near indistinguishable (to me anyway) from my budget (but well regarded) CD player (NADC542). Let me stress I would really have preferred it if the NAD had been vastly superior or even just markedly superior. My inability to tell a big difference has many possible interpretations and some are quite depressing.
Maybe it depends on the musical genres you listen to. If I were mainly into rock/pop I'd be using my (unmodded) Toshiba SD-3980 DVD player, but as I listen to quite a bit of classical & jazz I need the transparency & background blackness of the Rotel RCD-855 (despite many other sonic aspects being poorer due to the older DAC). The Toshiba actually sounds better to my ears in many ways, but has an obviously poor power supply that really colors the sound. Wouldn't be much of an issue with certain genres.

P.S. could well be that the DVP642 is excellent sounding for what it is. This is actually getting my curiosity going, I might try slapping an amp onto the analog outs in the back and listening a bit just for giggles.
post #21 of 133
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there is a difference between $50 players. most of them right now suck. this is the new toshiba 3960. since the 3990 also sucks.

modded, this aproaches the krell. seriously. so did the modded toshiba 3960. that is a well known fact. is it as good as the esoteric? what the heck do you want for $50+$250 in parts . it is the same as when you put a rega arm on a technics 1200. all you are doing is swapping junk parts for good ones. which is sadly all that seperates most $50 players from $2,000 players today. designs remain similar. the front loading transports have gone way south by now. shiny 5 inch discs seem to be on their way out(thanks apple).

if someone could figure out a way to replace the ess lsic with a yamaha lsic in the same package configuration we would then also gain the video performance. i assure you most of todays transport designs suck compared to those of yore. this is because of oversmapling upsampling etc. it is much less money to implement software than hardware to corect things such as jitter. this has worked out to the modders advantage of course.

music_man
post #22 of 133
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Originally Posted by music_man
there is a difference between $50 players. most of them right now suck. this is the new toshiba 3960. since the 3990 also sucks.

modded, this aproaches the krell. seriously. so did the modded toshiba 3960. that is a well known fact. is it as good as the esoteric? what the heck do you want for $50+$250 in parts . it is the same as when you put a rega arm on a technics 1200. all you are doing is swapping junk parts for good ones. which is sadly all that seperates most $50 players from $2,000 players today. designs remain similar. the front loading transports have gone way south by now. shiny 5 inch discs seem to be on their way out(thanks apple).

if someone could figure out a way to replace the ess lsic with a yamaha lsic in the same package configuration we would then also gain the video performance. i assure you most of todays transport designs suck compared to those of yore. this is because of oversmapling upsampling etc. it is much less money to implement software than hardware to corect things such as jitter. this has worked out to the modders advantage of course.

music_man
What Krell are you talking about? The KAV-300CD is a beast, I finally auditioned one the other day and there's no way that Philips will be able to touch it, modded or not. Even players from Krell's newer line like the KAV-280, blow the Philips out of the water. If you're using the Krell as a transport it's a waste, it was designed to have it's analog output used, but even still the digital out is amazing. The Philips is good for what it is, a cheap transport, nothing more nothing less. For $50, yeah it's a steal but don't think you're buying something comparable to a $2-3000 player just without the name and metal casing. If you really want to compare it to something somewhat fair, compare it to a Theta transport like a Data III or Data IIi, these were designed to be used with the digital out, and had the money put into that area of the player then see if your bargain player can still compete with the big box players.
post #23 of 133
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Originally Posted by skyline889
What Krell are you talking about? The KAV-300CD is a beast, I finally auditioned one the other day and there's no way that Philips will be able to touch it, modded or not.
Out of interest - how would you characterise the difference between the Krell and the Philips. I ask as when I compare the NAD and the Philips the NAD is slightly louder which makes it hard to compare directly but if there is a weakness in the Philips it is that it may be a little toppy.
post #24 of 133
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with the digital out to the same dac i cannot hear a distinct difference between the krell and the modded philips. that is because the philips now has no audible jitter. acting solely as transports, using their difital outputs there should be no difference between two players if they both can output bit perfect data streams. the philips can now do just that. again, i have measured this. that is what is pretty amazing for $50. the philips transport is not that good but with better power going to it and a better clock it can be made into a respectable transport only. transports should not have any signature to them if they are any good. dac's on the other hand...

the krells analog outs slaughter the philips analog outputs!

the krell is a well built 50 pound metal box with all three layer pcb's using strictly surface mount components(i know, i have taken it apart). the dacs in the krell are multiple and discrete(whereas the philips is the usual one chip solution joke box). what gets me about the krell is that the drawer and it's mechanism are just as cheap as any player these days.
however, what is of actual importance is the motor and bearing, which are obviously of better quality than the philips, much actually. i don't get the krell's drawer.


i was not down playing the krell. i was up-playing the modded philips.
the modded philips i am sure if people were aware that it was a similar deal as the toshiba i could sell on audiogon for maybe $600. it is better all the way around than the pioneer dv-45a which it just replaced on my nightstand because it is much smaller. of course that is for redbook performance. the pioneer just went on the bedrooms tv. i couldn't stand to watch the philips.

we can agree the philips is just an average $50 player. it can be made into a top notch redbook transport though. $250 in parts is what i used because it was what i had. honestly you could use panasonic or hitachi caps and get that down to $150. i also wasted 11 hours of labor while i was enjoying martini's. i could have done it in 3. so it is an ok deal as long as it does not poop out in a week. so far it has been going nonstop for about 90 hours. it is further burning in some new phones.

music_man
post #25 of 133
http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Phili...oductDetail.do

This is $39.99 (after $20 rebate) and free shipping at CC until Saturday July 29th. Thinking about this one...if the reviews are as good as Ive read, this is a pretty serious steal!
post #26 of 133
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Originally Posted by mlarn
http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Phili...oductDetail.do

This is $39.99 (after $20 rebate) and free shipping at CC until Saturday July 29th. Thinking about this one...if the reviews are as good as Ive read, this is a pretty serious steal!
I bought mine for $52 delivered and still think it is a deal. At $40 delivered I say go for it. If you do not like it make a present out of it to a family member.
post #27 of 133
Man, I was originally looking at the Refurbished Sony SCD-CE595 SACD/CD changer in another thread (right now for $80 shipped) and then I happen upon this thread. Decisions, decisions. I think the 5 disc changer would be nice, but of course the sound is the main thing. I will be pairing this with a DAC soon enough, so really just need it as a transport...

Anyone with advice b/t these 2 good deals???
post #28 of 133
Thread Starter 
i don't know why some people are so stubborn.

with my modded unit i will challenge any sub $1,500 player.

obviously it is not as good as an esoteric or something. that isn't fair.

someone here said it was not that far behind an arcam. i am starting to give up on diminishing returns. i don't know how long it will last(has 200 hours now) but to spend over 2 grand to better my $350 (modded) investment forget it.

i do have much more expensive systems and they are better. but not by much.

if you want a whole different level of performance than this be prepared to tear your wallet in half!

i could see wanting better units if this was a $600 nad,marantz, rotel. but no, it is that level of performance for (now $39) stock.
just do it!

music_man
post #29 of 133
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Originally Posted by music_man
i don't know why some people are so stubborn.

with my modded unit i will challenge any sub $1,500 player.

obviously it is not as good as an esoteric or something. that isn't fair.

someone here said it was not that far behind an arcam. i am starting to give up on diminishing returns. i don't know how long it will last(has 200 hours now) but to spend over 2 grand to better my $350 (modded) investment forget it.

i do have much more expensive systems and they are better. but not by much.

if you want a whole different level of performance than this be prepared to tear your wallet in half!

i could see wanting better units if this was a $600 nad,marantz, rotel. but no, it is that level of performance for (now $39) stock.
just do it!

music_man
music_man,
Im not doubting your opinions, Im just trying to figure out the quality of this player without your modifications and compare it to other budget players. With your eforts, I have no doubt it sounds wonderful...but without the mods Im trying to get an accurate perspective.
Thanks for all the info on this player
post #30 of 133
Music man, would it be possible to provide details about the modifications you made, or a resource to learn about modding transports? I have one of these lying around an am curious to see what it can do.

Thanks!
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