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post #121 of 153
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Originally Posted by Sleestack
That is one thing my library does not contain. Direct to DSD recordings. Is there a list anywhere?
I'm sure it's on Soundboy's list, but one that I own is Chick Corea's Rendezvous in New York...according to the liner notes, "the first 16-track all DSD recording ever". Trouble is it gives you a very clear impression of how the house P.A. sounds at the Blue Note.

Also the recordings in the San Francisco Symphony's Mahler project.
post #122 of 153
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Originally Posted by soundboy
Click on this link to all direct-to-DSD recordings (the ones that we know of).
Very cool. Thanks soundboy!

I even have a couple of those already. Should have known by how good they sound. More discs to add to my "list". Thanks again.
post #123 of 153
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Originally Posted by Sleestack
but at least try to give some constructive counterarguments rather than essentially just stating, "It is so, becuase that's all I know."
It's interesting how often people are most critical of others for flaws in themselves. If you'd like to read some of the points I made to support my argument, you can go back through this thread.

See ya
Steve
post #124 of 153
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Originally Posted by GoRedwings19
Do you think it is more of a recording issue rather than the source?
That's a bingo!

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Steve
post #125 of 153
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Originally Posted by Sleestack
That is one thing my library does not contain. Direct to DSD recordings. Is there a list anywhere?
I recommended one earlier on in the thread... Paavo Jarvi conducting chamber Stravinsky on Pentatone

See ya
Steve
post #126 of 153
How do people here feel about the current state of SACD releases?

Do you think Sony is still committed to the format?

I wish there were more remastered and pure DSD recordings, but am grateful for what there is. This is as close to a master tape as most people will get today.
post #127 of 153
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Originally Posted by tbonner1 View Post
How do people here feel about the current state of SACD releases?

Do you think Sony is still committed to the format?

I wish there were more remastered and pure DSD recordings, but am grateful for what there is. This is as close to a master tape as most people will get today.
According to sa-cd.net, the last couple of months have been slow in terms of new releases added to the site's database. However, as of this post, the new releases for July is already close to passing the number of new releases for June.

As for Sony and whether it's still committed to SACD, I think so. Sony is still releasing a number of new classical recordings on SACD, not to mention the BMG Living Stereo series. I believe the lack of new pop/rock titles on SACD is more due to the listening preference in North America. Sony in Japan still releases SACDs in non-classical genres. I guess other label see the lack of interest in pop/rock SACD titles as well....why else would Warner Music not release the remastered Genesis titles on hi-rez....when they're available everywhere else on the planet on SACD?
post #128 of 153
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Originally Posted by tbonner1 View Post
How do people here feel about the current state of SACD releases?

Do you think Sony is still committed to the format?

I wish there were more remastered and pure DSD recordings, but am grateful for what there is. This is as close to a master tape as most people will get today.
In general,people will not buy SACDs because they cost too much and companies don't want to produce them without making huge profits.If all the companies produced hybrid SACDs and released them at $1 under CD retail,SACDs would take off and sell very well.
post #129 of 153
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Originally Posted by ssportclay View Post
In general,people will not buy SACDs because they cost too much and companies don't want to produce them without making huge profits.If all the companies produced hybrid SACDs and released them at $1 under CD retail,SACDs would take off and sell very well.
I don't know about other places, but at least in Hong Kong, SACDs are only very slightly more expensive than CDs. If your system is good enough, I see no reason not to buy the SACD version.
post #130 of 153
One good reason not to buy them would be if there are no machines around to play them in five or ten years.

See ya
Steve
post #131 of 153
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Originally Posted by tbonner1 View Post
Do you think Sony is still committed to the format?
Last year I spoke to the proprietor of a business that records mostly chamber music or small folk-ish ensembles, releases it on a small label in both CD and SACD, and does some modifications to SACD and multiformat players that are, to say the least, the subject of much dispute in the audiophile world.

That being said.........

When I asked him about how a small label could release SACD's, he said it was going to be tougher and tougher. According to him, smaller labels had to lease the Sonoma workstations and techs to help run them from a special Sony business group in New York, and it had been disbanded and the employees reassigned elsewhere. He said Sony had reneged on a deal to lease one to him full-time with no explanation for their decision. When I asked him how Telarc or other "big-time" labels would continue, he said that a label as big as Telarc would likely have a special deal with Sony and the plants that can press SACD's. I didn't press for more details, as that was a side issue from the main reason for my call to him.

Since then, I saw that TASCAM and some other firms have released relatively inexpensive (for pro gear) DSD recorders, but I guess the big problem is editing in the DSD format without converting the DSD tracks to hi-rez PCM and the final mix back to DSD for the master.

I don't know if there will be widespread availability of pure-DSD-domain workstations if the interest in the consumer sector is as lacking as it seems.....sure, SACD's are widely available online, but in local classical bins at the brick and mortar stores, about the only SACD's I see are the Living Stereo reissues (and I've already bought most of the ones I wanted for $6.99 on yourmusic.com, anyway!)

Personally, I'd bet that the next step in hi-rez will be 24/96 FLAC downloads as that doesn't require any special manufacturing facility to press hi-rez discs (assuming that what I was told in the past, that not just any CD plant would be in the business of hi-rez disc manufacture.)
post #132 of 153
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Originally Posted by milkpowder View Post
I don't know about other places, but at least in Hong Kong, SACDs are only very slightly more expensive than CDs. If your system is good enough, I see no reason not to buy the SACD version.
Obviously at $18.98 retail not many shoppers are going to bite at most any SACD title.At $11.98 they would probably sell very well.Older titles would sell great at $8.99.
post #133 of 153
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Originally Posted by bigshot View Post
One good reason not to buy them would be if there are no machines around to play them in five or ten years.

See ya
Steve
I don't see this as a problem.Price and availability of the software is the problem. Besides,hybrid SACDs can be played on anything.
post #134 of 153
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Originally Posted by Sleestack View Post
(Re BigShot) I'm not sure why you hold steadfast to beliefs that are backed by nothing but your lack of knowledge on the subject. You are right... you aren't saying anything outrageously complicated...unfortunately along the way, you are providing plenty of misinformation and proving yourself to be fairly narrow minded.
Hehe.

Yep thats BigShot all right. Ive found that the vast majority of his posts are not only dead wrong but give people very bad advice and thats why he is on my ignore list. Doing so has markedly enrichened the quality of the discussions.

To answer the question, I have and love a SACD front end and feel that half of its value is getting surround mixes. With a few tweaks even my lowly Denon-2910 combo player sounds fantastic playing surround SACDs, not as good as my Saturn but different and all enveloping (in surround).
post #135 of 153
As long as someone has resurrected this thread (didn't realize it had started a year ago or so)........aren't all of Telarc's SACD's generally direct-to-DSD?
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