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post #61 of 99
12/16/06 at 8:15pm
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Originally Posted by ZenFountain View Post
I believe people are getting a little ahead of themselves with the HD format wars
absolutely right; BR and hddvd are IMHO never going to capture the general market like DVD has; i think they'll gain acceptance, but it will be very slow; slower than hdtv acceptance for sure, and THAT can clearly show everyone that these formats aren't going to be doing well; NO ONE without an HDTV IS GOING TO BUY hdtv-players, and many who have hdtv's still won't

that being said, i would like an hddvd or BR player, since i have xbox360 the hddvd add-on is intriguing; but even an AV ENTHUSIAST like myself is not stumbling over myself to get one; i'd need a ton more titles, and a heft drop in player cost first, especially since i'll have the option of downloading hd-films from xbox if i like
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post #62 of 99
12/16/06 at 8:17pm
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Originally Posted by ZenFountain View Post
I believe people are getting a little ahead of themselves with the HD format wars. Consumers have invested billions in DVD collections, and likewise studios have invested billions bringing practically every movie, TV series, ect. to the DVD format, often totally remastering them at great expense. 8 years ago consumers were ripe for a VHS replacement and DVD has proven to be a success beyond it's creators wildest dreams.

Having said that (the obvious), I really doubt we are going to see an explosion of HD media like we saw with DVD around 2000. I don't find it crazy to believe that neither will win or be a success. Sony put 400,000 BR players in homes in one day, perhaps HD DVD will be better, or cheaper, but I personally doubt either one will garner enough support to fill the aisles of Wal-Mart & Blockbuster and that's what matters in the big picture. I suppose it matters to the uber-enthusiast that has proper theater and is willing to shell out $30+ for a title they may already have on DVD and laser disk but that constitutes an extreme minority.

But maybe that's just my wallet talking as I look at stacks of DVD's up to my ears.
very well said, and exactly how i feel; one comment: the fact that a bunch of nerds went out and bought BR players on launch has NOTHING to do with longevity or longterm success
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post #63 of 99
12/16/06 at 8:19pm
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Originally Posted by Sleestack View Post
Why would we agree that DVDs became the norm 6 years go? DVDs were widely used and being rented out much before that. Does it have to be the case that everyone uses it before it is widely accepted? There will always be people who hold on to old formats, but I stopped using VHS as far back as 1995, if not sooner.

Second, do you really think the infrastructure or technology is in place for 20gig streams to be the norm? Furthermore, its not like the average consumer is using his PC to download DVDs today, even if the bandwith is available.

Lastly, there is one big difference today. 1080p and the fact that the industry is rapidly trying to make large 1080p TVs the norm. Do you really think when large TVs next yer are 1080p that people aren't going to want the content fo their TVs? I actually use a 65"1080p plasma right now and I can assure you that people aren't going to be happy with DVD when they see what HD formats look like on those TVs.

I'm not sure how it is in Europe, but in Japan and the US, the push toward 1080p is already well under way. While the HD formats are slowly picking up pace, players can be bought for under $300 already.
i think you're completely off; 1080p sets are still very expensive to most folk; otherwise i'd have one myself; and i think you're completely off that tv stations and other media providers will be spending boatloads to go to 1080p equipment when they've already spent loads going to 1080i, and HD content is still pretty pitifully low
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post #64 of 99
12/17/06 at 12:40am
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Originally Posted by uzziah View Post
absolutely right; BR and hddvd are IMHO never going to capture the general market like DVD has; i think they'll gain acceptance, but it will be very slow; slower than hdtv acceptance for sure, and THAT can clearly show everyone that these formats aren't going to be doing well; NO ONE without an HDTV IS GOING TO BUY hdtv-players, and many who have hdtv's still won't

that being said, i would like an hddvd or BR player, since i have xbox360 the hddvd add-on is intriguing; but even an AV ENTHUSIAST like myself is not stumbling over myself to get one; i'd need a ton more titles, and a heft drop in player cost first, especially since i'll have the option of downloading hd-films from xbox if i like
I don't agree. I work at BB & 90% of .com orders we get are flat screen HDTV's.. & we can't get enough Toshiba HD DVD players cause they fly off the shelf.. BR is another story.. In 3 month we sold like 6 BR player.. 4 being Sony. The formats are fine.. People not buying HDTV's to view HD/BR movies is another story.. Does not mean that HD/BR is failing.. Remember when some wer saying HDTV's are just a fad? If people don't want to pay a premuim for excellent PQ, let them live in the land of 480i..
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post #65 of 99
12/17/06 at 12:43am
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Originally Posted by uzziah View Post
i think you're completely off; 1080p sets are still very expensive to most folk; otherwise i'd have one myself; and i think you're completely off that tv stations and other media providers will be spending boatloads to go to 1080p equipment when they've already spent loads going to 1080i, and HD content is still pretty pitifully low
you can get a Westinghouse 47inch 1080p for just under 2 grand.. If you follow HT, you know that is very CHEAP.. 2 yrs ago, the same set would cost at least 4 grand..

Broadcast won't display in 1080p for a very long time. Eats up too much Bandwidth..
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post #66 of 99
12/17/06 at 12:47am
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Originally Posted by uzziah View Post
i think you're completely off; 1080p sets are still very expensive to most folk; otherwise i'd have one myself; and i think you're completely off that tv stations and other media providers will be spending boatloads to go to 1080p equipment when they've already spent loads going to 1080i, and HD content is still pretty pitifully low
1080p sets aren't expensive. I'm hardly rich and I'm enjoying one.
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post #67 of 99
12/17/06 at 12:51am
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Originally Posted by ZenFountain View Post
I believe people are getting a little ahead of themselves with the HD format wars. Consumers have invested billions in DVD collections, and likewise studios have invested billions bringing practically every movie, TV series, ect. to the DVD format, often totally remastering them at great expense. 8 years ago consumers were ripe for a VHS replacement and DVD has proven to be a success beyond it's creators wildest dreams.

Having said that (the obvious), I really doubt we are going to see an explosion of HD media like we saw with DVD around 2000. I don't find it crazy to believe that neither will win or be a success. Sony put 400,000 BR players in homes in one day, perhaps HD DVD will be better, or cheaper, but I personally doubt either one will garner enough support to fill the aisles of Wal-Mart & Blockbuster and that's what matters in the big picture. I suppose it matters to the uber-enthusiast that has proper theater and is willing to shell out $30+ for a title they may already have on DVD and laser disk but that constitutes an extreme minority.

But maybe that's just my wallet talking as I look at stacks of DVD's up to my ears.

The movie industry & electronic companies will make people convert.. Remember when the record compaies phased out Vinyl for no reason? Vecause Sony had their CD project around the corner.. When DVD players came out VHS tapes started to get phased at at Blockbuster & other rental outlets.. They will make us adapt to HD/BR whther we like it or not..

& about shelling out 30.00 to buy the 'same' film you have on DVD.. Not the same. You haven't actually watched the movie until you view it HD. You will see things you never seen before.. & Will be more 3d like.. & HD/BR players play SD DVDs aswell..
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post #68 of 99
12/17/06 at 12:54am
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Originally Posted by kool bubba ice View Post
& about shelling out 30.00 to buy the 'same' film you have on DVD.. Not the same. You haven't actually watched the movie until you view it HD. You will see things you never seen before.. & Will be more 3d like.. & HD/BR players play SD DVDs aswell..
So true. Lord of the Rings Two Towers DVD versus 1080p uncompressed ts is like VHS vs DVD as far as image quality. It's unbelievable.
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post #69 of 99
12/17/06 at 2:09am
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So true. Lord of the Rings Two Towers DVD versus 1080p uncompressed ts is like VHS vs DVD as far as image quality. It's unbelievable.
Ignorance is bliss.
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post #70 of 99
12/17/06 at 2:57am
Im not one to become brainwashed, but Ill be honest, after seeing and owning HDTV and then seeing HD-DVD and Blu-Ray, I made the cheap attempt to step forward.

I own a very nice Toshiba HDTV. I figured, I would try an upsampling dvd player (a good one to boot) and boy was I wrong. Crap to the power of ten. It's better then 480i, but its nowhere near the level of HD-DVD and BR

What am I trying to say? Im saying I have actually stopped watching SD DVDs on my new LCD tv fully. Until I move ahead to hi-def dvds, because of how poor the video feels.

Its the same when I go from HD-NBC, to SD NBC, but about 20% worse

I don't want a Ps3, so I will buy a HD-DVD, the first day tv shows becaome available to buy
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post #71 of 99
12/17/06 at 3:10am
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Originally Posted by TopShelf View Post
Im not one to become brainwashed, but Ill be honest, after seeing and owning HDTV and then seeing HD-DVD and Blu-Ray, I made the cheap attempt to step forward.

I own a very nice Toshiba HDTV. I figured, I would try an upsampling dvd player (a good one to boot) and boy was I wrong. Crap to the power of ten. It's better then 480i, but its nowhere near the level of HD-DVD and BR

What am I trying to say? Im saying I have actually stopped watching SD DVDs on my new LCD tv fully. Until I move ahead to hi-def dvds, because of how poor the video feels.

Its the same when I go from HD-NBC, to SD NBC, but about 20% worse

I don't want a Ps3, so I will buy a HD-DVD, the first day tv shows becaome available to buy
I don't know about that. I've been satisfied with upsampling DVDs on my Panny S-97 on my 1080p Westinghouse. Sure, it's not as good as HD-DVD/Blu-Ray, but perfectly acceptable with good source material.
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post #72 of 99
12/17/06 at 3:40am
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Originally Posted by marvin View Post
I don't know about that. I've been satisfied with upsampling DVDs on my Panny S-97 on my 1080p Westinghouse. Sure, it's not as good as HD-DVD/Blu-Ray, but perfectly acceptable with good source material.
Personally, I do not see much difference at all between HD on cable and HD DVD. I have seen them back to back and I was not blown away like I was the first time I saw DVD and compared it to standard def cable programming. Of couse, the difference is dependent on the size of the screen and the distance you are from the TV. I saw the comparison on a 46 inch Mitsubishi 1080P from about 3 or 4 feet away. Maybe the cable signal in this area is just really good.

I will continue watching DVDs even when I eventually buy an HD DVD player or BD player. There are a lot of movies that are not really dependent on a super sharp image. Yes, a great image like DVD helps, but I do not need to see nose hairs/pit marks/etc.. with super fine detail to enjoy a movie.
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post #73 of 99
1/11/07 at 4:46am
You don't have to choose come February...

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-12760_7...5.html?tag=txt

What does this do for the format war?

As for me, anyone want a Toshiba HD-XA1? If the first reviews pass mustard, I'm all over this!
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post #74 of 99
1/11/07 at 1:34pm
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Originally Posted by virometal View Post
You don't have to choose come February...

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-12760_7...5.html?tag=txt

What does this do for the format war?

As for me, anyone want a Toshiba HD-XA1? If the first reviews pass mustard, I'm all over this!
LG has already run into problems with the HD side, HD folks are not allowing them to use HDi. This means LG can not claim the unit supports both formats. Read more here

I think I may go with the 360 add on since it is so much cheaper... not much to lose if HD goes the way of Betamax.

I think HD will end up winning, even though Blu-ray appears to have more backing from Hollyweird and may even be a superior technology. In the end when a consumer is looking at two next-gen players and on is twice the price of the other with little benefit to justify the cost more folks will gravitate to the cheaper alternative. Not to mention that HD-DVD can be turned over and played in a regular player so if you want to watch something in another room or at a friends house you are not getting such a limited format. Just my 2ยข
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post #75 of 99
1/11/07 at 2:04pm
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This means LG can not claim the unit supports both formats. Read more here
Yeah, I read that. What buzzkill. I'll cross my fingers and hope it's blog/forum conjecture.

Well, if it doesn't make it, props to LG for getting the ball rolling anyway. Speaking of conjecture, I bet there is a-lot of people like me who would be very interested in a combo player.

Well, I own a HD-DVD player (XA-1), so until then, that format will be my horse by default.
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