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post #106 of 119
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Originally Posted by Patrick82
Is that website a joke (superhero costume)? They compare this hobby with a restaurant...

I don't think any experienced audiophile believes what they say.
It's called an "analogy".

Also, it's not going to get you anywhere saying "experienced audiophiles" won't believe him, as they're the very people the article was hashing apart.

The article was pretty mean-spirited, but if there's anything you believe is inaccurate on the subjects commonly discussed around here, pray tell.
post #107 of 119

There is nothing that *doesn't* cause dramatic night-and-day differences to believers

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Originally Posted by Kees
@rodbac
Time and time again, in practice it turns out that measurements are dfferent than could be expected from theory.
Not across a single wire, they're not.

I'm sure "theory" would acknowledge that its predictions across everything contained in an amplifier would have a large margin of error. The margin of error in predicting the behavior of a 20KHz signal across 10 feet of copper is, by comparison, nothing.
post #108 of 119

Skeptics misinterpret everything

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Originally Posted by Vul Kuolun
If "experienced audiophile" is somebody who removes a correction circuit from his state-of-the-art headphones altering the sound ceveral decibels at 3000Hertz on a range of 3 octaves, and blames the change on a stupid cable, you might be right.

Maybe you wanna tell us what the joke about this really is.
You didn't read it all. I didn't hear a difference at 3kHz because my K1000 are not at the specific angle.

What's wrong with doing a couple upgrades at the same time if you know both of them will make a difference and you are going to upgrade to another cable later anyway?
If I heard the biggest improvement ever when doing both upgrades, and then change to another cable and hear an equal big improvement, does it really matter which one made the biggest improvement of the previous upgrade?

http://www6.head-fi.org/forums/showp...9&postcount=55
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Originally Posted by cosmopragma
According to Jan Meier the curcuit board is a notch filter, a kind of analog parametric EQ.
Purpose: It's supposed to counterbalance a standing wave between the drivers and the ears/skull.
The concept is a bit flawed anyway since the notch filter does only work properly for a specific distance respectively angle, and that's not necessarily the angle you prefer as far as headstage is concerned.
We've discussed the issue at an european meet, and Jan did even tell us the frequency, but I can't remember exactly and would have to ask Jan for the exact number.
post #109 of 119
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The concept is a bit flawed anyway since the notch filter does only work properly
The more you´re writing about it, the more you´re telling us you don´t have the slightest idea of what you´re doing (and talking about).

Just because it doesn´t work properly doesn´t mean it´s not working at all. In fact, the notch will alter the frequency all the time, at any angle, of course.

Fact is: before the other guys told you,you didn´t even know what the circuit´s purpose was. You couldnt do worse if you were trying to find out what difference your new cable made. How would you tell which component changed which parameter? Ridiculous, even from a "subjectionists" view.
And based on that experience, your trying to talk people into buying ridicoulusly overpriced cables. That´s a shame, man.

As some kind of coronation to the whole procedure of butchering the maybe best phone known to mankind, you recognised "it was getting louder". So much for reliability of human hearing. Boost 3000Hertz, and the "experienced audiophile" (and maybe everybody else too) will perceive it as "man, this is some kinda louder".

Thank you for telling us about your profound knowledge.
To be back on topic: Articles like the above mentioned do make much more sense than many posts to be read at internet message boards in my eyes. There should be more of them.

Good luck then.
post #110 of 119
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Originally Posted by carlcamper
@Azure

I certainly agree with #4, but we are treading on unsteady ground here as head-fi (i think) has a policy against DBT, though, understandably, this is to avoid conflict with sponsors who help fund this great site.
There is no "policy" against DBT as such, just the policy against needless and fruitless flame wars provoked by those arguing for and against same...
post #111 of 119
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Originally Posted by barkas
There's not much to go on beyond belief, I fear. What is audible to you may not be audible to me. What will probably be audible to most is as far as science can go here.
Yes.
And that is why I think it is stupid to make remarks about what people claim they can hear, when you can't.
post #112 of 119
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Originally Posted by Kees
Yes.
And that is why I think it is stupid to make remarks about what people claim they can hear, when you can't.
I'm not trying to be antagonistic, but that doesn't even make sense.

One (whether I heard the same thing you did) has *nothing* to do with the other (whether I'm justified questioning what you say you heard).
post #113 of 119
My finger is on the button. Lighten things up or I push the button.
post #114 of 119
If letting nonsense on key points slide by unaddressed is what's required to keep a thread open, maybe locking it would serve Head-Fi better.
post #115 of 119
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Originally Posted by rodbac
I'm not trying to be antagonistic, but that doesn't even make sense.

One (whether I heard the same thing you did) has *nothing* to do with the other (whether I'm justified questioning what you say you heard).
And it would be even more stupid if you heard it too.....Right?
post #116 of 119
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There is no "policy" against DBT as such, just the policy against needless and fruitless flame wars provoked by those arguing for and against same...

Don´t get me wrong, but what is the difference between prohibiting discussions about DBT in general, and moving threads to the DBT-free forum in case things tend to go in that way supposed to be?
post #117 of 119
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Originally Posted by Kees
And it would be even more stupid if you heard it too.....Right?


So you think "it is stupid to make remarks about what people claim they can hear, when you can't", and even more stupid when you can??

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you somewhere here.
post #118 of 119
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Originally Posted by rodbac
If letting nonsense on key points slide by unaddressed is what's required to keep a thread open, maybe locking it would serve Head-Fi better.
If you find it impossible to be civil and respectful, then refrain from participation
post #119 of 119
I think this may be a good place to apply the brakes as some people seem not to get the picture on civil discourse.
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