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Hmmm...guess burn-in is real...

post #1 of 278
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Got my HD580 yesterday, and the bass didn't have a smooth sound. Sort of warbly, but only slightly, if you know what I mean. Had it playing music for the past 24 hours, and that problem is already gone. Didn't believe in burn-in before, but, eh, it's interesting.
post #2 of 278
Yeah, funny thing indeed!

I didn't necessarily believe in it from speaker experience either, but with cans.....sure "seemed" to change for me too!

Interesting!
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I'm a firm believer in burn-in. When I first got the HD202 it had no bass... who would have thought? The idea that bass monster had no bass couldn't possibly be in my head.
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Of course burn-in isn't real, how can it be? It's purely psychoacoustics. I mean, how can a constantly flexing membrane possibly change it's physichal characteristics over time? It's really easy to demonstrate. Take a piece of wire and start bending it, over and over, and... oh wait... hmmm...
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Originally Posted by catscratch
Of course burn-in isn't real, how can it be? It's purely psychoacoustics. I mean, how can a constantly flexing membrane possibly change it's physichal characteristics over time? It's really easy to demonstrate. Take a piece of wire and start bending it, over and over, and... oh wait... hmmm...
I dunno, although i've never had an extreme burn in experiance myself that argument seems less than air tight...
post #6 of 278
I've definitely noticed the sound get better as i've listened to my sr60s. It's not that subtle at all, it happens slowly but is a dramatic difference.
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Sr-60s.....SR-60s!!

That's right!! I remember now!

When I received my MS-1s they had the comfy pads on. Then I put on HD414s, then I modded them, then I modded them again!

Then I modded them yet again!!

....no wonder I noticed a change in the SQ.

I don't remember what they sounded like before the changes, so it wouldn't do any good to put the comfies back on!

Break-in? Shucks; I don't know. Could be!!


EDIT: Seems like they continued to change a bit after the last mod though. I dunno.
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Originally Posted by catscratch
Of course burn-in isn't real, how can it be? It's purely psychoacoustics. I mean, how can a constantly flexing membrane possibly change it's physichal characteristics over time? It's really easy to demonstrate. Take a piece of wire and start bending it, over and over, and... oh wait... hmmm...
good thing they don't make driver surrounds out of wire
post #9 of 278
Just to offer my input to this thread, I do personally believe in burn in. However I believe that burn in of the "wait for 300 hours" or the "you need to let them run in for at least 18 yeard while playing Mr Osio" Kind of burn in is nonsense.

Burn in is a first 24 hours kind of thing, just the driver getting into its stride. The Equivilant of a new car engine needing a couple of hundred miles of run-in before you open up the throttle. Not the "run the car for 5K miles before judgement" kind of thing. JM2C.
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Originally Posted by facelvega
good thing they don't make driver surrounds out of wire
wait a minute-- I bet Duggeh DOES make driver surrounds out of wire.
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Originally Posted by catscratch
Of course burn-in isn't real, how can it be? It's purely psychoacoustics. I mean, how can a constantly flexing membrane possibly change it's physichal characteristics over time? It's really easy to demonstrate. Take a piece of wire and start bending it, over and over, and... oh wait... hmmm...
Driver burn in I can see. But solid-state amp burn in and cable burn in? Where is the reasoning behind that? What the heck is there in a cable that "burns" in? It's just basicly a wire that transfers an electric signal to it's destination.
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I was unsure until I heard how a pair of Grados changed with burn-in. Grado phones are the most obvious, dramatic and easy to detect example of how burn-in affects/improves the sound of a set of cans (in my experience). If you are a non-believer, hearing a pair of Grados before and after burn-in may change your mind!

Burn-in is certainly an age old debate here at head-Fi.
post #13 of 278
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But solid-state amp burn in and cable burn in? Where is the reasoning behind that? What the heck is there in a cable that "burns" in? It's just basicly a wire that transfers an electric signal to it's destination.
http://www.audioholics.com/FAQs/Audioquest.html

(and yeah, you're 100% correct)
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Originally Posted by lmilhan
I was unsure until I heard how a pair of Grados changed with burn-in. Grado phones are the most obvious, dramatic and easy to detect example of how burn-in affects/improves the sound of a set of cans (in my experience). If you are a non-believer, hearing a pair of Grados before and after burn-in may change your mind!

Burn-in is certainly an age old debate here at head-Fi.
x2...
my RS1 was the believer can for me. But it varies greatly from headphone to headphone. I didn't notice much difference with my DT770, EX51 or V6.
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If you are a non-believer, hearing a pair of Grados before and after burn-in may change your mind!
People say the same thing about every pair of phones in existence.

Also, I couldn't tell a burned-in pair of SR-80s apart from a new pair FWIW.

Also note that I have no problem with the theory of "burn in" or "break in"- it just strikes me as odd that there's never been a formal test showing it's real (that I've seen). Just more anecdote consisting of "They changed over time!" Makes it tougher to accept because we all know the mind looks for differences and can create them if they're not there.
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