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post #31 of 91
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Originally Posted by Ruppin
For $500 ....... I cleaned about 350 records of mine and my family's, including my parents'. Notwithstanding much abuse, 340 are playable, 150 are like new. How's that for saving money?

I hardly call laying out $500 saving money, my $5 fellowes lint free cloth services my CDs. I have only ever had 3 CDs (out of 600) fail to play perfectly after 22 years of being digital and all three had been dropped and kicked across a scratchy wooden floor, I would like to see an LP survive that kind of abuse, all three still play, in parts
post #32 of 91
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Originally Posted by hciman77
I hardly call laying out $500 saving money, my $5 fellowes lint free cloth services my CDs. I have only ever had 3 CDs (out of 600) fail to play perfectly after 22 years of being digital and all three had been dropped and kicked across a scratchy wooden floor, I would like to see an LP survive that kind of abuse, all three still play, in parts
I guess if you like to skateboard on your discs, vinyl might not be your ideal. But I laid out $500 for 300 plus albums. Some are not available on CD, some are available on bad CD recordings (especially the 70s stuff), and some are available (at the CD price). I call 300 albums for $500 (less than $2/album) cheap. Also, you could clean by hand, more time, for under $50. And then there are all those used record stores- about $2.00 (and few people even look at the classical recordings which can be phenomenal). How's that for economics?

I think that they sound better. Playing vinyl requires more effort. But, there are a lot of CDs I don't neet to buy and a lot of old friends I'm enjoying.

There is an added benefit. You might get the chance to go shopping for used records with Todd "TTVJ" Green. An experience with one man's obsession that provides great life and audio lessons.
post #33 of 91
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Originally Posted by Jon L
It's threads like this that increasingly convince me that different people REALLY hear different things.

For example, I have sat right next to other audiophiles comparing top-flight CDP vs. top-flight turntable (much more $$ than the CDP actually) and heard them say stuff like, "Oh, yeah, the vinyl WIPES the floor with the CD."

But what I (objectively?) hear is that they sound different. In general, vinyl rolls off and softens predictable ranges including the 1.5K-3K "presence" region, has warmer upper to mid-bass but severe low-bass rolloff (<30Hz or so), with unacceptable (to me) signal-to-noise ratio.

What vinyl does have going for it is the lack of choppy, edgy rough-pixel low-treble to upper-midrange of poory-produced CD's (read: most CD's out there). For these materials, I would prefer to listen to vinyl over the CD's. However, with superior CD material (vs. superior vinyl), CD clearly has superior resolution, frequency extension and control, much better signal-to-noise ratio, and lower distortion products.

When it comes to well-recorded, native 24bit/192kHz DVD-A, that's when mere "digital" "Wipes" you-know-what with vinyl, even the most well-produced vinyl. Just IMHO, of course, but I don't think YMMV
Hmm I personally still preferr my generally cheapish vinyl setup to a mate's $5000 DVD-A player. But a lot of it is personal preference to sound.

And you know something else. Often the differences heard between vinyl and CDs are more to do with the mastering then anything else. CDs use compressors to get the music closer to the high quality top 6db, vinyl uses compressors to get the subtleties out of the noise floor, just to name one example. Even the same album will be mastered in different ways by different people for the different formats.

Personally I don't think that anything really wipes the floor with any other format. Just that I enjoy vinyl much better. I think once in the realm of $10000+ sources the differences between DVD-A and vinyl will be so minute that it simply becomes about how many albums in each format you have to decide on which player to get
post #34 of 91
Audio Note DAC 5.0 will give your CDs a new life.
post #35 of 91
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post #36 of 91
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Originally Posted by JahJahBinks
Audio Note DAC 5.0 will give your CDs a new life.
Was thinking of upgrading to external tube DAC, but am on a limited budget. What is the best budget tube DAC? Or should I hold out for the 5.0? How much does it actually cost?
post #37 of 91
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Originally Posted by Jbucla2005
Was thinking of upgrading to external tube DAC, but am on a limited budget. What is the best budget tube DAC? Or should I hold out for the 5.0? How much does it actually cost?
Are you sitting down? The top-of-the-line AudioNote DAC 5.1x Signature costs $60,000. I will probably never get to own one or even give it a good listen, but I know one thing: there are many other DAC choices out there that would make me very, very happy, happy enough not to lament over not owning that AN.

BTW, IMO, it's VERY, very, very difficult to find a tubed DAC that accomplishes the tube strengths without sacrificing too much of what I personally value...
post #38 of 91
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Originally Posted by GreatDane
When I bought my first CDP in 1985 I boxed up my vinyl...never to be seen again.
That was my story too ... until a few days ago. I started looking through my 1200 LP collection which hasn't been played for 20+years and realized I had a lot of good music on vinyl that I'll never be able to buy on CD. So I've spent the last few days scouring the net for deals on used analogue equipment and now have a TT, cartridge, record clamp, phono pre-amp, cartridge alignment tool, and other assorted accessories including a 128 oz. bottle of Nitty Gritty record cleaning fluid enroute to me. I've even ordered a couple of new, 180 gm. David Bowie albums so I've got something pristine to play when it all finally gets here. Even though it's been two decades since I regularly played albums, I still vividly remember all the reasons ( all mentioned in other posts here ) I was quick to abandon the format when CDs started taking off, but I have to admit, I'm excited about re-discovering vinyl and hearing some of my old recordings again.
post #39 of 91

ELP Laser Turntable

Thought this might interest some of you

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post #40 of 91
Nope. Scary thought. Vinyl is about analogue then they use a digital pickup mechanism.

Anyway the point of high quality needles was to increase the surface area touching the disc not decrease it. From what I've read this system is insanely sensitive to slight dust that normal needles would just brush out of the way when reading. Asside from that there was a massive website out there bagging it for god knows everything an anything. Amongst other things poor business practices by the company.
post #41 of 91
comparing fairly equal priced vinyl (VPI scout/shelter 501/ASR phono pre) and cd rigs (Ayre CD7e) I have to give the nod to vinyl. While it's not true on every recording on most the vinyl had more bottom end, more life like vocals (the cd was a bit thin by comparison) and more lefe like dynamics. That's not to say the Ayre is bad, I love it and it's teh best CDP I have owned just head to head I prefer an LP. I even went so far as to balance the test by using the same master engineers versions of the same peice of music.
post #42 of 91
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Originally Posted by bigshot
Try using an equalizer to roll off the frequencies a bit from 10kHz up- pivot at 14kHz. Instant analogue.

See ya
Steve
I have not found a HF roll off at all with better carts
post #43 of 91
nope it's usually inherint in the medium. Compared to CDs even the $20000 rig at my local audio shop sounds slightly rolled in the highs. Prehapse more like a non-OS DAC. It's not obvious untill you play 2 copies of the same album. And then it's usually a case of the CD sounding bright not the vinyl sounding dull.
post #44 of 91
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Originally Posted by crazyfrenchman27
I personally do not like the EMU1212, but I fail to see or hear how vinyl is superior to CD format.

-Matt
A finite amount of 0s and 1s versus an infinitely variable amount of data. I know digital can be extremely high-quality but 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000 0s and 1s is nothing compared to an infinite number.
post #45 of 91
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Originally Posted by Chri5peed
A finite amount of 0s and 1s versus an infinitely variable amount of data. I know digital can be extremely high-quality but 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000 0s and 1s is nothing compared to an infinite number.
That is correct. However the medium carrying that socalled infinite number and the technology used to extract it tends to end up yielding a result far worse than the finite approximation (for a lot of people, I haven't done any comparisons myself so don't shoot the messenger).
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