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post #31 of 95
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I think the Koss ksc-35 is doing very well. with all its mass appeal it appears no one is disappointed with them.. would of liked to put the ksc-5o on too..
post #32 of 95
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Originally posted by kelly
It's interesting that the HD600 is winning by such a wide margin. I can see why. A year ago, I thought the HD600 was the best headphone in the world and I now wonder if it's even in the top 10.
It is. It's easy to dismiss a headphone when something better or different comes along, without remembering what that particular headphone does well. The HD-600 is the only headphone I feel comfortable recommending to almost anyone. Although it does better in some applications than others, it almost never sounds bad. The only other headphone I've got that I can say that about is the HP-1 and it's hard to recommend that when a) it's expensive and b) it's difficult to find.

In terms of value for the dollar, the HD-600 is still the leader. Best dynamic headphone? Several are better, IMO, if they are put into the right system. Nothing at the street price of the HD-600 though.
post #33 of 95
Kelly: You try listening to some bass-heavy rock through a Big O...


...and the Omega 2, well, maybe with a Gilmore amp.
post #34 of 95
Boy, am I glad to have paid just $249.99 plus tax for my HD 600's! But if I had to pay the full $400 to $450 price of those particular Senns, then choosing between those and spending the extra $250 to $300 for the $695 Grado RS-1's becomes much tougher for me.
post #35 of 95
It's a toss-up between the absolutely abysmal RS-1 and over-rated HD600.

BTW, we have folks voting against phones they've never heard (*cough* MacDEF *cough*) Just an observation...

Mark
post #36 of 95
Ahhh, markl... It seems as though you never really cared much for open-air headphones. Your very favorite headphones all have closed backs (but are not necessarily fully closed).
post #37 of 95
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Originally posted by Vertigo-1
I voted for the HD600s. To take a line from grinch, "Boy do those suck it."
This comes from someone who prefers the HD590s over the HD580s or HD600s (sorry, bkelly, but you're not the only Head-Fier who has that preference). But then again, this user prefers other brands of headphones to Sennheiser.
post #38 of 95
You're right. I just never bought into Sennheisers marketing fluff about the value of "open-aire" phones. There are people here who for some reason won't even consider closed phones. This is absurd to me, but hey, I'm getting used to being a minority of one!

I've heard enough of the "great" headphones to know that whether a phone is open or closed is the *least* of your concerns in making a buying decision. It's all about sound, not design. I have nothing against open phones per se, but it is interesting that indeed all my favorites (CD3K, W2002, R10) are "closed". Yet they leak as much sound as any "open" phone. Hmmmm....

Mark
post #39 of 95
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Originally posted by kelly
It's interesting that the HD600 is winning by such a wide margin.
The most popular kid in school is hated by a lot of people just because he/she is the most popular kid in school

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But still... the MOST overrated headphone? I dunno. I still like the HD600. I paid $200 for mine and still feel like I got a good deal. I still like it. I still use it even. And, I have a coworker who will probably buy a pair despite knowing of better ones (thanks to me and Nick's last meeting). So maybe it's overrated, but I don't really get where people say it's the msot overrated. Counter-culture. Must be counter-culture. Like when people try to pretend Spielberg is a bad director because he's popular. Backlash. Only explanation.
Exactly how I feel. I don't think the HD 600 are perfect, far from it. But "most" overrated?



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And, to top it off, a lot of people, including HeadRoom apparently, think it's the best you can do--so much so that they basically built a $3300 amplifier specifically for that headphone.
You keep saying this, kelly, even though Tyll himself has told you that you're flat-out wrong about it. (And the fact that both the HD 600 and the RS1 are the "official" headphones for the BlockHead, when these two headphones aren't anything alike -- if the BlockHead was made "specifically for the HD 600," it would be horrible for the RS1.)




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Originally posted by Hirsch
At least kelly has heard the R10. As a wise man once said, "Don't you be dissin' until you be listenin' "
LOL, hey, I admit to never hearing it -- and I'm not judging it's "sound." I'm just saying that a very small number of people have said it's completely amazing, head-and-shoulders better than anything ever made good, and those people seem to shape the "common" view of the R10. Yet a few other people have said it's great but that it's not that much better than other things, and a couple have said it's great but not even the best they've heard. To me, that means that the "common" view is overrated.

But send me yours for a couple weeks, Hirsch, and I'll give you my empirical opinion I'll gladly call them the best ever if I think so
post #40 of 95
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Originally posted by markl
I've heard enough of the "great" headphones to know that whether a phone is open or closed is the *least* of your concerns in making a buying decision. It's all about sound, not design. I have nothing against open phones per se, but it is interesting that indeed all my favorites (CD3K, W2002, R10) are "closed". Yet they leak as much sound as any "open" phone. Hmmmm....
But Mark, the CD3000 aren't closed. They may have a solid back, but they aren't closed. Neither are the R10 from the descriptions I've read.

Closed headphones seal around the ear and don't let sound/air escape, which is why most closed headphones have a distinct sound. Open headphones do let sound/air escape. It's not a matter of appearance; it's a matter of the physics of sound waves.
post #41 of 95
Re: HD600/BlockHead
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Originally posted by MacDEF
You keep saying this, kelly, even though Tyll himself has told you that you're flat-out wrong about it. (And the fact that both the HD 600 and the RS1 are the "official" headphones for the BlockHead, when these two headphones aren't anything alike -- if the BlockHead was made "specifically for the HD 600," it would be horrible for the RS1.)
MacDef
You have indeed argued against me about this before but the fact remains that you were not present in the room when I asked Tyll about this explicitly and I'll therefore stick with my own memory of his response.

That an amplifier designed with the HD600 as a reference headphone would sound horrible with the RS-1 is quite a leap, too. The Melos reference was the HP-1 yet many people love the amplifier with HD600s. The microZOTL's reference was a cheap Koss (and no, not even your beloved KSC-35s).

And the CD3000, R10 and W2002 are most definitely closed circumaural headphones. You may dispute how good of a job at isolation they provide but they are nonetheless closed headphones.

Eric343
I enjoyed the Orpheus with the progressive rock and metal I had with me at the Dallas stop of the WOH tour. I've on seperate occasion very much enjoyed rock and metal on the Stax SR-007 and particularly the bass. I realize our tastes are not identical but I oppose the concept of prejudging for others whether a specific component is good for or bad for entire genres of music.
post #42 of 95
i would say the hd600 (plain, below expectated bass quality, less than great highs...), cd3000 (syrupy, shiny sounding), grados (any that i have heard, excluding rs1/2), er6 (tinny, dont hold up to er4), koss (boomy bass, horrible leakage), beyer 250-80 (not as accurate as other phones, too plain), Sennheiser HD212 (they sound like v700s on a diet! blech!), AkG 501/401 (wheres the basS?!?!/ totally bland), beyer 931/831, hmm... let me think... ... V700DJ...




most underated: Sennheiser HD280PRO
post #43 of 95
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Originally posted by Anders
Should one have heard them, or is beleif enough?
I believe that one should have heard them, otherwise one doesn't know if they are overrated or not.

Closed vs. Open vs. other -- the concept of these are similar to woofers in car stereo -- sealed vs. ported enclosures. They change the sound drastically (ported enclosures are treated as filters). So if the back of the driver is fully open vs. open in a ported manner is not a black and white discrepancy, it's a shades of grey scale. But unless the design is that of a sealed enclosure, it cannot truly be considered a closed/sealed headphone.
post #44 of 95
suprised hd600 tops the list? seems completely obvious to me. especially considering how arguments always go on the boards, it makes things very "cliquey" as it was mentioned the 600's are THE go-to phone, and the fact that that is undeniably true digs into the minds of those who disagree.

but the point was already made well in the metaphor everyone hates the popular kids...

i vote for the v6 just cuz i don't think they're really that special, and i haven't heard any of the suspect overrated phones. they're only 60 bucks, but hey 60 bucks is money. you can get sr60's for 60 bucks. of course they're not closed, so you needn't argue with me. (ie i understand...)

the ety's are rated through tre roof, but i just can't argue. god damn thats some sweet sound. although i would say the 4p is overrated. i think the 4s is a better choice, because it's what they were designed to be... (and i hate the 4p cord. superficial but hey its a big factor with etys) i guess you portables guys really like to turn your **** up loud...
post #45 of 95
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i would say the hd600 (plain, below expectated bass quality, less than great highs...), cd3000 (syrupy, shiny sounding), grados (any that i have heard, excluding rs1/2), er6 (tinny, dont hold up to er4), koss (boomy bass, horrible leakage), beyer 250-80 (not as accurate as other phones, too plain), Sennheiser HD212 (they sound like v700s on a diet! blech!), AkG 501/401 (wheres the basS?!?!/ totally bland), beyer 931/831, hmm... let me think... ... V700DJ...




most underated: Sennheiser HD280PRO
Wow...... Your Senn HD-280 must be a "10" then.
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