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post #46 of 218
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Originally Posted by dougmwpsu

having said that, and at the risk of extending the OTness, CAN anyone actually tell me what sony gets if they win the format war? it must be dollars, is it dollars? like a certain ammont of money per disk sold? if so then it makes sense why they would be willing to risk the sucess of their new console by backdooring their new HDvideo format into milions of americian households via the ps3.
ok back to our regularly scedualed wiiing
Sony will own the patents on the format. I assume they will get money from both the sale of disks and players.

On the Wii, this is only next gen console I am remotely interested in. This new controller is what got me hooked. It seems like something completely new and different. If I want awesome graphics, I'll play a PC game.
post #47 of 218
Incendiary? I simply said it looks like a fisher price toy. For me, their controllers ruin their consoles. What is incendiary about that? I have big hands, and I like controllers with a lot of buttons. I don't like waving things around, it seems too kidish. And I can't remember the last console made by fisher price. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure it will be a great console, I wasn't trying to be mean, it simply looks cheap to me with a small amount of buttons. Don't get your feelings hurt over THAT...
post #48 of 218
Cell is hardly "bleeding edge" fabrication. The 90 nm process is industry standard for processors, and Intel has already moved to a 65 nm process. The only special thing about Cell is how blastedly huge the die is due to the SPEs. The Xbox 360's triple core proc will move to 65 nm in Q1 2006, while the PS3's Cell will do it at some unspecified point in 2006.

And calling the Wii "last gen tech" is highly misleading. It is more powerful than the Xbox and GameCube by a fair amount, and has amazing ease of programming compared to the Xbox 360 and Cell. From the specs, it looks like Wii is about as powerful as a current midline gaming computer (single core, ~ 7600GT power), while the Xbox 360 and PS3 would be closer to higher end computers (dual core, ~ 7900 GTX power).

I expect some good sword fighting and some innovative shooters out of Nintendo this time. The controller was practically made for them. A redone Jedi Knights game with some lightsaber play wouldn't be too bad...
post #49 of 218
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Originally Posted by johnmatrix
On the Wii, this is only next gen console I am remotely interested in. This new controller is what got me hooked. It seems like something completely new and different. If I want awesome graphics, I'll play a PC game.
yeah i mean, i'm the same way. i may be talking nintendo up this time around, but i'm really NOT a fanboy. i'm kinda past my videogaming prime, and am a few years past nintendo's target market. when i do play games it's usually deep stratagy on the pc (though i have been having a fun time with Uplink reciently). the thing is that nintendo seems to be aiming at fixing everything i think is wrong with videogames. i've said for years that gameplay is far more important than graphics, and it's nice to finally hear a company use that exact sentamant as the basis for a tagline(playing is beleaving rather than seeing is believeing). it seems to me that modern game devolopers are FAR more interested in getting a game to look it's best, rather than putting any effort in innovating it's gameplay. i am sick and tired of the ea sequil factory that pushes out one cookie cutter title after another. new material is few and far between in the games industry, and i'd just rather play the classics than waste my time with the new flashey crap that doesn't play half as well.
second is the controller, which is also a brilliant move. i rememebr as a kid i would ask my dad to play nintendo multiplayer against me. he'd try his best to figure out the controlls, but in the end it was always too complicated and frustrating for him. as gaming veterans, we think nothing of 12 buttons and 2 joysticks, but that is INTIMIDATING to the rest of humainty. there's somthing very compelling about a wand with 2 buttons that you wave around to control the game. if nintendo can break down the control barrier and make things more natural, their games can appeal to the common person and *shock* might actually be more fun than frustrating to them.
sure, it's not exactly a system for the gamming elite(though i bet virtual console attracts a few hardcore gammers) but i think this system is exactly what the game industry needs right now, even if it flops and noone buys it, it'll have made it's mark on the industry and changed the sequil factory for the better.
post #50 of 218
I'm actually kind of looking forwards to the Revolution - sorry, the Wii. I've never really been much of a console fan because I can't get the hang of the controllers or the games, but these new controllers look promising. The Wiimote is different enough that I might actually like it, and the standard controller that Nintendo has announced looks a lot like the PS2 Dual-Shock controller, which has been my favourite one so far. And I've had fun with games on Nintendo platforms before, so the prospect of having access to a big back-catalogue like they propose is exciting.

If I can convince my parents to let me keep the old TV they want to get rid of, I might just buy one. If the price is right, of course.

Plus, the thing is just gorgeous, eh?
post #51 of 218
I'll put my guess in at $299-$349. I may pick one of these up, just for the classics in the back catalog. I still think Revolution was a better name though.
post #52 of 218
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Originally Posted by AuroraProject
I'll put my guess in at $299-$349. I may pick one of these up, just for the classics in the back catalog. I still think Revolution was a better name though.
Agreed pretty much all the way, although I'd peg the number at the lower end, because by then the 360 will probably have had a price drop, having been out a year and seeing how the industry has worked in past generations.

As to the poster who asked why the 360 is OK at $300, but a PS3 with Blu-Ray is unacceptable at $500, I think that is mainly consumer psychology at work. $300 is a well-established launch price point (at least in recent memory - please correct me if I'm wrong) for consoles, and so people have come to see that as an acceptable price. I think that $500, for many people, is a psychological price barrier for something seen as "fun" (as in, "Damn I have to spend $500 on a toy?") The Blu-Ray capabilities make a more compelling argument, but at its core, the PS3 is a gaming console, and that's how consumers are going to see it. All that being said, I have no idea which console is going to do better in the 2006 holiday season.
post #53 of 218
Is anybody (other then I) worried about what will happen to the PS3 if blu-ray ends up failing? It would suck to have an expensive piece of hardware like the ps3 with a blu-ray player, when hd-dvd is what you really want to play. Plus, depending on when it fails if it did, it could be a big downer for the console itself, and saying it fails after the first year, the ps3 will be one of the only blu-ray players on the market. Also, as games are not being done on blu-ray from my understanding, if they don't make games on blu-ray in the future, then the blu-ray factor is useless and the PS3 is just as good in media functionality as the 360.
post #54 of 218
I don't think the PS3 is going to be that bad off if Blu-Ray fails. After all, convergence functionality takes a back seat to gaming - no one's going to buy a PS3 for its media capabilities with no intention to play games.

I figure games will be done on Blu-Ray eventually - the extra space will allow for more FMV, bigger game worlds, etc. Do these elements make good games? Not necessarily, but given more space, I'm sure the game developers will find some way to fill it (and justify charging extra for the content). I think the more important question is, "Can Sony deliver the goods with regards to the game library?"
post #55 of 218
I don't know if I'll ever be able to call it anything other than Revolution. WTF were the marketing people smoking???

Still, this could be the first gaming console I'll own since the Atari 2600... I'm not kidding
post #56 of 218
I'd get this over the PS3 unless Gran Turismo 5 comes out.

Also, I do hope Nintendo plans to make another Super Smash Brothers.
post #57 of 218
years ago we were camping and a gnat flew into my friend's ear. he told us it said "wiiwiiwiiiwiiwiiwiiwii"




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Also, I do hope Nintendo plans to make another Super Smash Brothers.
Is the Pope catholic?
post #58 of 218
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Originally Posted by dougmwpsu
do one legged ducks swim in circles?
yeah, and this time you can use the controller to beat and stab the guy next to you on the couch. Oh damn, I want a Wiiiiiiiii!
post #59 of 218
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Originally Posted by Kirosia
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Originally Posted by dougmwpsu
do one legged ducks swim in circles?
yeah, and this time you can use the controller to beat and stab the guy next to you on the couch. Oh damn, I want a Wiiiiiiiii!
haha yeah, in the new smash brothers you just beat the crap out of your friends with the controller in hand, and once they're unconscious it tallies up your score and saves it to your profile.

oh and oops sorry i changed my mind again. by they way, when i was googling for alternative phrases to "does a bear **** in the woods(stupid censors), i came across this:

I made a joke about the Pope and it upset my girlfriend.
What? - didn't you know she was catholic?.
Yeah, but I didn't know the Pope was.



<sigh> i'm starting to get silly... time for bed
post #60 of 218
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I expect the Wii to be priced at $200-$250 if Nintendo wants to make a strong showing. Anything higher will bring it too close to the XBox 360. Sony is committing suicide with their pricing, BluRay or not. They may do well in Japan, but will die in the US market at that level of pricing.

Microsoft has had such a long head start, that when they move their processor fab to 65nm process, they will not only have cooler running system, but cheaper to build. I suspect that we may see the first major price drop from Microsoft when the Wii and/or PS3 launches. A $50 drop would be feasible. Something around Core('Tard) Pack selling for $250, and the Premium for $350. That would bring an XBox 360 at 50% the price of a PS3. Ouch.

As much as I made fun of Nintendo and the Wii, after seeing the conference presentation, and Sony's blundering, I see Microsoft pulling into the #1 spot, with Nintendo not far behind, and Sony falling behind for the first time, and playing catch up.

Sony won't go down without a fight, so this next holiday season will be very interesting indeed.

It's a fabulous year for gamers.

-Ed
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