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post #181 of 218
5/15/06 at 1:10am
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Originally Posted by MikeB06
However, in the end, that is what they did. It is still essentially the same console as the Xbox, but with much greater horsepower and a better interface. I think boodi's point was that the Xbox 360 doesn't bring anything different to the table than the original Xbox other than an upgrade in graphics/etc.
Fine by me. I would much rather have something tried and true with awesome graphics than something gimmicky that MAY blow over. Do an experiment and play GRAW on original Xbox AND on 360, and you'll see how much better the "upgrade" makes games, definitely one great testament of a more powerful system making a game, the same game, much better.

I will be skeptical of the Wii til the day I try one, just as I was with the original Xbox, but it won me over...
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post #182 of 218
5/15/06 at 1:42am
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Originally Posted by Sladeophile
Fine by me. I would much rather have something tried and true with awesome graphics than something gimmicky that MAY blow over. Do an experiment and play GRAW on original Xbox AND on 360, and you'll see how much better the "upgrade" makes games, definitely one great testament of a more powerful system making a game, the same game, much better.

I will be skeptical of the Wii til the day I try one, just as I was with the original Xbox, but it won me over...
I never said the "upgrade" was a bad thing , or that it doesn't work. Don't worry, I've already done the experiment. My friend here on campus has the 360 with GRAW, Oblivion, and Fight Night Round 3, and I'm well aware of how much better/more fun to play the games are on the 360 compared to their current-gen counterparts.

Funny thing though...despite all the money that was spent on the 360 in his room, Super Smash Bros. on the Gamecube still gets the majority of the playing time.
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post #183 of 218
5/15/06 at 1:46am
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Originally Posted by Born2bwire
Shens! That guy's too fat to be Ed.
LOL, it's me, It doesn't help my friend was shooting from such a low angle (sitting on the ground) and with a wide angle lens.

And yeah, I gotta work on that pudge gut.


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As for the FPS controls, I wonder if you couldn't use the D-pad on the remote for the strafing and use the nunchuk for look. The main thing that I like about is using the the remote for the targeting cursor, I don't see why one cannot try relegating the large look and movements to the controls.
It would only work if your hand looks like this:




-Ed
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post #184 of 218
5/15/06 at 1:48am
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Originally Posted by MikeB06
Funny thing though...despite all the money that was spent on the 360 in his room, Super Smash Bros. on the Gamecube still gets the majority of the playing time.
Not surprised in the least. The 360 has a long way to go before it has the kind of games that people will constantly play, IE Halo 3! I still play Halo 2 just as much as any 360 game. Nintendo has games that will ALWAYS have great replay value like that, there isn't really anything like smash bros out there. I never really got into it myself, but I have friends that were freaks about it. Nothing like Halo though...
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post #185 of 218
5/15/06 at 2:11am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGlvLQzvJNA

Ed, did you have to stand in THIS line to play the Wii?
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post #186 of 218
5/15/06 at 2:46am
I just have to rant.. Is anyone here with me when I say I'm against the idea of wireless controllers? I don't want to have to change out batteries or recharge the damn thing when I'm in the middle of playing the game.
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post #187 of 218
5/15/06 at 2:54am
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Originally Posted by XxATOLxX
I just have to rant.. Is anyone here with me when I say I'm against the idea of wireless controllers? I don't want to have to change out batteries or recharge the damn thing when I'm in the middle of playing the game.
Yeah, I thought the same thing. The 360 controllers work quite well though, and it's not a big deal at all to recharge them, the cable that comes with the play and charge kit is pretty long. It would be pretty lame if it had to have line of site with the console though, didn't Ed mention something about the Wii needing that? That sucks...
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post #188 of 218
5/15/06 at 3:15am
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Originally Posted by MikeB06
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGlvLQzvJNA

Ed, did you have to stand in THIS line to play the Wii?
Yeah. I waited in that F$#%^$#?!?!?!? ing Looooooong @$$ line.

Nintendo took away 6 hours of my life this year. It wasn't remotely fun.

And the best part, is that Nintendo pretty much did it on purpose, and let the lines stay very long. The layout of the Wii booth area was retarded, so freakin crowded no real traffic flow, people in there like sardines bumping into each other.

-Ed
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post #189 of 218
5/15/06 at 3:27am
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Originally Posted by Sladeophile
Yeah, I thought the same thing. The 360 controllers work quite well though, and it's not a big deal at all to recharge them, the cable that comes with the play and charge kit is pretty long. It would be pretty lame if it had to have line of site with the console though, didn't Ed mention something about the Wii needing that? That sucks...
The Gyro used by the Wii is going to be a battery sucker. Unless it uses better batteries like LiON, the battery life is not going to be stellar. Nowhere near the impressive battery life the Wavebird got. The Wii-mote was quite lightweight, so I'm guessing it uses either two AA's or proprietary battery.

The 360's wireless controller has fantastic battery life even with vibration feature on. (not as long as the Wavebird, but it does have vibration/rumble) I use NiMH AA's with mine, and swap them out with a ready charged set when they get low. They last for more than one long day of game playing, so it's long enough for me.

-Ed
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post #190 of 218
5/15/06 at 6:39am
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Originally Posted by XxATOLxX
I just have to rant.. Is anyone here with me when I say I'm against the idea of wireless controllers? I don't want to have to change out batteries or recharge the damn thing when I'm in the middle of playing the game.
I've heard this same anti-wireless rant for a while now, and I don't agree at all.

I use a Logitech G7 cordless mouse for playing Halo on my Mac. It gets MAYBE 6 hours on a battery.

But you know what? It doesn't matter one bit! I simply swap in a freshly charged battery before playing Halo. If I play long enough that the battery dies, it means I need to get a life

The ever-so-small hassle of swapping batteries is more than made up by the joy of never having to worry about people tripping over cords.
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post #191 of 218
5/15/06 at 7:56am
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Originally Posted by AuroraProject
An upgrade is a new video card, or adding some memory, the 360 is new from the ground up. They didn't just take the Xbox and add a few things.
the fact is the upgrade ( because the 360 , I'll tell it again , is much more of an upgrade then a new console , where the ps3 will likely look/be more a new console then an upgrade ) has been very marginal . . .


edit : a note , the wii is still too much in the shadow to speak about it as an upgrade ( controller related ) or new gen console , but again thing would be controller ( and control philosphy ) related , sure not graphics .
What I've seen and we know of the ps3 instead is yet telling me to go for it on release , and for how I think , it is the only solid next gen console name that's worth having this title as for now .
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post #192 of 218
5/15/06 at 11:35am
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Originally Posted by boodi
the fact is the upgrade ( because the 360 , I'll tell it again , is much more of an upgrade then a new console , where the ps3 will likely look/be more a new console then an upgrade , as the wii on the gc ) has been very marginal . . .
You're right on one thing. The PS3 is not a PS2 upgrade, since the PS2 architecture was so fubar and difficult to program that no one would ever want to replicate it.

The Xbox 360 and PS3 basically use the same architecture as the Xbox. They're all based off of the "general processor + graphics processor" model. Following your logic, the PS3 and Xbox 360 are both just upgraded Xboxes.

And really, pay attention to the specs and current gaming computers. The difference between the Xbox 360 and the PS3 is very small.

As for the Wii and FPS, looking at it, it's going to be pretty hard to do right. If you could connect the nunchuk and the gun attachment at the same time, you have two analog sticks, one for look and one for move, and could use the Wii motion for aiming on screen.

But, it doesn't seem like that you can do that, and one analog stick for move while using motion for look doesn't seem like it'd work out well. I don't see how they're going to get past that without requiring the use of two controllers.
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post #193 of 218
5/15/06 at 11:42am
I was not speaking technical sheets , just my (humble) consumer ( of electronics , of video and trailers , of reviews , of videogames and on ) general view and thoughts..

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Originally Posted by marvin
The difference between the Xbox 360 and the PS3 is very small.
I do not think so
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post #194 of 218
5/15/06 at 11:50am
I have to say I'm also in the boat of wanting more from the 360 and PS3 upgrades. My experiences in gaming have been this:
NES->SNES\Genesis\TG16 = Huge improvement in graphics, more complicated controllers.
SNES Generation -> N64/PS1/DC = Introduction of 3D graphics and environments, rumble pack, external memory cards, CD storage, reintroduction of joystick.
N64 Generation -> Xbox/PS2/GC = Introduction of DVD storage, internet connectivity.

The 360 and PS3 just do not get me excited as being an appreciable leap outside the standard upgrade in graphics and power. I do not feel that we have started tapping out the storage space of DVD so the introduction of HD-DVD and Bluray probably will not mean much for the games. At least in the generation upgrades since the late 80's, we could expect an appreciable change to our gaming experiences and gameplay. The addition of 3D, the ability to have more expansive games with CD and DVD media, the ability to play across XBox Live, etc.
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post #195 of 218
5/15/06 at 3:34pm
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Originally Posted by Born2bwire
I have to say I'm also in the boat of wanting more from the 360 and PS3 upgrades. My experiences in gaming have been this:
NES->SNES\Genesis\TG16 = Huge improvement in graphics, more complicated controllers.
SNES Generation -> N64/PS1/DC = Introduction of 3D graphics and environments, rumble pack, external memory cards, CD storage, reintroduction of joystick.
N64 Generation -> Xbox/PS2/GC = Introduction of DVD storage, internet connectivity.

The 360 and PS3 just do not get me excited as being an appreciable leap outside the standard upgrade in graphics and power. I do not feel that we have started tapping out the storage space of DVD so the introduction of HD-DVD and Bluray probably will not mean much for the games. At least in the generation upgrades since the late 80's, we could expect an appreciable change to our gaming experiences and gameplay. The addition of 3D, the ability to have more expansive games with CD and DVD media, the ability to play across XBox Live, etc.
Wow, my sentiments exactly. I haven't taken the time to break down my thought processes of evaluating the next-gen systems, but that really sums them up.
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