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post #136 of 218
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Originally Posted by mr.karmalicious
The HUGE minority. He seems to have some sort of hate for the Wii with no real reason. I've read countless peoples' impressions and Ed is literally only the second person to be unimpressed with the Wiimote.
Yeah, I haven't had a chance to try the controller, but all the reactions to it I've read have been overwhelmingly positive, even from people who went in thinking it was going to suck. I'm guessing things will get even better once developers really start fine tuning the control schemes. Nintendo seems to have really hit a home run at E3 this year, whether the Wii remote sucks or not.

http://slashdot.org/pollBooth.pl?qid=1341&aid=-1
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2374

I'm seeing a lot of poll results similar to this all over the web. Should be an interesting year.
post #137 of 218
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Originally Posted by mr.karmalicious
The HUGE minority. He seems to have some sort of hate for the Wii with no real reason. I've read countless peoples' impressions and Ed is literally only the second person to be unimpressed with the Wiimote.
He tried it, and it didn't live up to his expectations (so far). That's not a real reason?
post #138 of 218
He gave some reasons, but a few were just incorrect: the motion thing on the Wiimote? Wrong. The nunchaku is motion sensitive, but the Wiimote is much more. Furthermore, his reasons for disliking it are singular, and shared by very few, if any, others.
post #139 of 218
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Originally Posted by mr.karmalicious
Furthermore, his reasons for disliking it are singular, and shared by very few, if any, others.
So . . . that makes it less relevant?
post #140 of 218
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Originally Posted by Edwood
Bose gets quite positive reviews and popularity among the masses in the www around as well.

-Ed
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I'm sorry but I really don't see the point of comparo..
post #141 of 218
Not normally, no. But why would his experience be so different from everybody else's, and why would he be so adamant about saying how much it sucks and how it's going to fail?
post #142 of 218
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Originally Posted by boodi
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I'm sorry but I really don't see the point of comparo..
Agreed. I would definitely consider Nintendo more like the Grado of the console world.
post #143 of 218
To those of you asking about how it's possible to play a sports game like Madden, take a look at the IGN preview.

Apparently, it controls fantastically. The controls initially sound complex but once you start playing, it quickly becomes very natural and all around great.

"All in all, we would say that is one of our favorite games that we have played so far on the Nintendo floor. The gameplay is slick and makes you feel as if you are really playing the game. We know we can't wait to play this game around our office, and we are sure that once you put your hands on the game, you will feel the same way. Simply put, Madden '07 embodies Nintendo's Wii's catchphrase: playing = believing."
post #144 of 218
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Originally Posted by Edwood
QFT. Nailed it on the head, man.

If you really want to play Madden on the Wii, don't worry, Nintendo will dumb it down and simplify it for use with the Wii-mote.

-Ed
Obviously, you guys don't pay attention.

They also released other types of controllers and attachments.
The retro controller as well as the rifle analog attachment.
So you can play shooting games as though you're holding a gun and play all games with the old-school gamecube + SNES type controller. Thus, you have your own choice of playing style.

I have no idea why you're so against the Wii, Ed. Too innovative for you perhaps? Please just say yes, so we can get on with the discussion of other things about the Wii instead of you trying to make fun of the the controller. (your supporting evidences are easily getting counter-supported)
I assume you really support the XBox 360 and the PS3.

I'm a Nintendo freak but even I'm not bashing the PS3. XBOX 360, maybe.
post #145 of 218
ANGER! Wow, people get really mad about other peoples opinions on here... It's just a game, right???
post #146 of 218
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by nsjong
Obviously, you guys don't pay attention.

They also released other types of controllers and attachments.
The retro controller as well as the rifle analog attachment.
So you can play shooting games as though you're holding a gun and play all games with the old-school gamecube + SNES type controller. Thus, you have your own choice of playing style.

I have no idea why you're so against the Wii, Ed. Too innovative for you perhaps? Please just say yes, so we can get on with the discussion of other things about the Wii instead of you trying to make fun of the the controller. (your supporting evidences are easily getting counter-supported)
I assume you really support the XBox 360 and the PS3.

I'm a Nintendo freak but even I'm not bashing the PS3. XBOX 360, maybe.

And you were at E3 and played with the Wii yourself to come to your opinion?

-Ed
post #147 of 218
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by nsjong
I'm a Nintendo fanboy but even I'm not bashing the PS3. XBOX 360, maybe.

Fixed.
post #148 of 218
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by mr.karmalicious
He gave some reasons, but a few were just incorrect: the motion thing on the Wiimote? Wrong. The nunchaku is motion sensitive, but the Wiimote is much more. Furthermore, his reasons for disliking it are singular, and shared by very few, if any, others.

Yes, I know the Wii-mote has a gyro sensor and the Nunchuk has an accelerometer.

You are purely speculating and reguritating reviews you read online rather than FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE (much like many in this thread), because the tennis game (which I criticized the most) is controlled with only the Wii-mote, no Nunchuk attached.

And my Bose analogy is absolutely relevant to this discussion. Many of you are all willing to believe that something is great because you hear lots of great things about it.

But ask yourself this:
If you went around and asked average people on the streets which headphone they'd rather own, a Bose Triport or this other one made out of wood by Sony in the 90's. What do you think their response would be?

Man, I feel like I'm arguing about Headphones at (Neo) GAF.

-Ed
post #149 of 218
Thread Starter 
Metroid on the Wii as an example of hardcore end-all-be-all of FPS control is like touting Mario Kart as an example of hardcore end-all-be-all of Racing Games.

Played Metroid Corruption at the Wii booth, and the game itself is dumbed down for sure, but wasn't it dumbed down in the Gamecube versions with the "Target Lock" function?

The Wii-mote's use of controlling looking around (right analog stick or a mouse) in Metroid is inherently flawed. Requires moving the cursor to the edges of screen to actually look around. This is actually slower than using dual sticks. With this method it is impossible to circle strafe without using the crutch of a "Target Lock" feature.

One method that would make the Wii-mote use in FPS games better would be to have a button held (or toggled) to change from fixing the cursor in the center and allowing looking around without having to reach the edges of the screen. And then pressing/or releasing the button to switch to the control as it was in Metroid Corruption.

Think of left trigger aiming in GRAW, but with the Wii-mote.

But even then, the games would still look like **** compared to FPS games on the 360 or PS3.

-Ed
post #150 of 218
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Originally Posted by Edwood
And my Bose analogy is absolutely relevant to this discussion. Many of you are all willing to believe that something is great because you hear lots of great things about it.

But ask yourself this:
If you went around and asked average people on the streets which headphone they'd rather own, a Bose Triport or this other one made out of wood by Sony in the 90's. What do you think their response would be?

Man, I feel like I'm arguing about Headphones at (Neo) GAF.

-Ed
It's not a valid analogy because in the Bose debate, we're talking about real audiophiles versus the layman. Average Joes might think Bose is great but audiophiles truly understand sound quality and know that there's far better sounding equipment for much less money than Bose. In other words, audiphiles have more validity in their opinion on the matter.

That is not at all analogous to the Wii controller because it's not as though you have some sort of video game expertise that others lack. Professional game reviewers from respected video game publications around the world have been unequivocally praising the controller. Certain games appear to have sub-par control schemes (ie. Red Steel is having some problems, from what I've heard) but of the dozens upon dozens of impressions I've read (from people who have tried it out), less than a small handful have actually disliked the controller itself and the technology behind it. When implemented correctly (ie. in games like Super Mario Galaxy), the Wii controller appears to be almost universally adored.
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