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post #106 of 218
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Originally Posted by RedLeader
Considering the number of titles that are in development, the time it's been up and the fact that is only for a handheld console... I'd say thats pretty darn good. And I'm curious about the "party" that you're talking about. That would be Live and thats it am I right? Nintendo has proven that they can do online, and as soon as they release a home console with the same capabilities we shall see how it explodes. Oh, and look at the stats, somehow it seems as if Metroid Prime : Hunters has more people playing it than any other online game, including Counter Strike or Battlefield 2. Their online service must be horrid!
You should probably consider that Hunters is a relatively new game compared to BF2 and especially CS. GC could have taken advantage of online play, but didn't. Xbox was the leader with live, but PS2 also had decent FREE online gameplay of which I have taken part. All systems of the same generation. IMO, that would count them for being late to the party and can't really be debated. You say as soon as they release a console that has online capabilities, so that means they haven't right? You just validated my point on your own. I am happy that the DS is an online portable, but online portables can only go so far. Small screens don't work too well for FPS for me anyway, and that's my favorite online genre. Maybe you should simply agree that this is a big blunder in Nintendos part because it is.
post #107 of 218
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Originally Posted by RedLeader
1 - no HDTV and no desire to own one
2 - if graphics are why you play your games, I don't understand you but have fun! I don't have any problems going from my computer to GCN
I dont see why its so hard to understand that great graphics can add to the gameplay and be another facet of the experience. Does great graphics = great game? Of course not, but it can definitely add to the overall scheme of things. I'm sure there are people out there that will play a game just because it looks pretty, but they certainly won't be still playing it next month if the gameplay sucks.

BTW I still have a NES and play it.
post #108 of 218
well, oddly enough the GDN had as much online as the PS2 did. And yes, it was free, and yes, so is the online service they have now. They're no later than Sony is, and judging by the system that they now have in place, I'm glad they waited to do it right. MS is an OS company, they have experience with that sort of online service. Nintendo did not, and now they have one for free that works flawlessly, I don't see the problem there. And I'm curious, have you actually tried Hunters? I was skeptical until I actually played it, and it's a great game with an intuitive control scheme. Way better than any FPS that I've ever played on a console, thats for sure.
post #109 of 218
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Originally Posted by bpm2000
I dont see why its so hard to understand that great graphics can add to the gameplay and be another facet of the experience. Does great graphics = great game? Of course not, but it can definitely add to the overall scheme of things. I'm sure there are people out there that will play a game just because it looks pretty, but they certainly won't be still playing it next month if the gameplay sucks.

BTW I still have a NES and play it.
Well you just said it. Can they add to a game? Sure they can. Of course they can add to the atmosphere and help draw you into a game, but you just said exactly what I've been trying to. Playing a game that you've done before solely for the new graphics seems very silly to me.
post #110 of 218
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Originally Posted by RedLeader
well, oddly enough the GDN had as much online as the PS2 did. And yes, it was free, and yes, so is the online service they have now. They're no later than Sony is, and judging by the system that they now have in place, I'm glad they waited to do it right. MS is an OS company, they have experience with that sort of online service. Nintendo did not, and now they have one for free that works flawlessly, I don't see the problem there. And I'm curious, have you actually tried Hunters? I was skeptical until I actually played it, and it's a great game with an intuitive control scheme. Way better than any FPS that I've ever played on a console, thats for sure.
I played the demo, if that counts, and it was not that great for me. I actually find the controls in Halo 2 to be very well done. Keyboard and Mouse will always be the best control scheme for fps though... I'm not quite sure what the gdn is though...
post #111 of 218
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Originally Posted by RedLeader
Well you just said it. Can they add to a game? Sure they can. Of course they can add to the atmosphere and help draw you into a game, but you just said exactly what I've been trying to. Playing a game that you've done before solely for the new graphics seems very silly to me.
Well thats what I'm wondering - the graphics are a draw to the game, but does anyone actually continue (I guess thats the kicker) to play the game after the fact?

--I guess I didnt catch your "youve done before" portion of your statement.
post #112 of 218
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Originally Posted by bpm2000
Well thats what I'm wondering - the graphics are a draw to the game, but does anyone actually continue (I guess thats the kicker) to play the game after the fact?

--I guess I didnt catch your "youve done before" portion of your statement.
Once the awe of the graphics wears off it comes down to gameplay, and if the gameplay sucks, the game is turned off. I would probably play a game for about an hour on graphics alone, just to give it a chance, but if the gameplay isn't there, I'm done with it. Gameplay is definitely more important, but accurate graphics can help a game like an FPS SO much. If the graphics are crap, you don't know what you are shooting at, it gets frustrating. But the graphics are not the be all end all of gaming for sure.
post #113 of 218
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Originally Posted by Sladeophile
I played the demo, if that counts, and it was not that great for me. I actually find the controls in Halo 2 to be very well done. Keyboard and Mouse will always be the best control scheme for fps though... I'm not quite sure what the gdn is though...
The demo was pretty useless, and I just cant stand dual analog sticks for playing an FPS. I mean, look at Halo 1 on the Xbox and the PC and how much difference there was in the difficulty and the appearance of intelligent AI, all because you could now aim! And it was obviously a spelling mistake, fairly sure you aren't infallable either.

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Originally Posted by Sladeophile
But the graphics are not the be all end all of gaming for sure.
Then it appears we agree.... then why are we debating this? Nintendo went the cheaper route in terms of graphics and chose to spend their development money on innovative control design. I prefer that to IMO stale games. Also from a business standpoint this makes sense. MS and Sony are loosing money hand over fist with every console they sell or will sell. Nintendo should actually be able to make money with their hardware. Say what you will, but the 1 loosing quarter in the last 8 years shows that Ninty is a smart company.
post #114 of 218
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Originally Posted by RedLeader
The demo was pretty useless, and I just cant stand dual analog sticks for playing an FPS. I mean, look at Halo 1 on the Xbox and the PC and how much difference there was in the difficulty and the appearance of intelligent AI, all because you could now aim! And it was obviously a spelling mistake, fairly sure you aren't infallable either.

Then it appears we agree.... then why are we debating this? Nintendo went the cheaper route in terms of graphics and chose to spend their development money on innovative control design. I prefer that to IMO stale games. Also from a business standpoint this makes sense. MS and Sony are loosing money hand over fist with every console they sell or will sell. Nintendo should actually be able to make money with their hardware. Say what you will, but the 1 loosing quarter in the last 8 years shows that Ninty is a smart company.
Buddy, you have GOT to lighten up. Take it easy man, I am NOT excited about the Wii, get over it. Millions of kids and myself have no problems aiming in Halo, so debate over. I agree with you in PART, but like I have said, good graphics add a LOT to a game with good gameplay. And HD adds a LOT over non-HD. This is all my opinion, so don't debate me on it.
post #115 of 218
And yet you said earlier PC FPS controls are superior. Anyways, I don't care if you don't want a Wii, thats your own choice. You can also play your games for the graphics alone or believe the GCN had no online play, or whatever else. But I am allowed to have my opinions as well, and if we are not here to talk and debate over subjects of interest, why are we here?
post #116 of 218
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Originally Posted by RedLeader
And yet you said earlier PC FPS controls are superior. Anyways, I don't care if you don't want a Wii, thats your own choice. You can also play your games for the graphics alone or believe the GCN had no online play, or whatever else. But I am allowed to have my opinions as well, and if we are not here to talk and debate over subjects of interest, why are we here?
I said they are superior, but I have no problem with console FPS controls! I said I don't play games on graphics alone for more than a trial period! The GC had VERY LIMITED online play, very few games took advantage of it and Nintendo didn't emphasize it at all! Quit twisting my words against me!
post #117 of 218
Thread Starter 
Spent some time with the Wii today.

And spent time in Nintendo's booth at E3.

Anywho, long story short, the Wii and it's Wii-mote is a gimmicky ridden controller with a last gen graphics game system at it's core.

Played primarily with the Tennis game, Metroid, and Warioware. The tennis game is crap. The player is automatically controlled, and you only control the swing, and it doesn't matter how or where you swing, it's all timing based, you might as well just press a button. If you are trying to actually swing like you are swinging a rachet and playing tennis, you are just looking like a fool and pretending, because, guess what? The Wii is not tracking any movement other than just the swing timing.

Metroid. The Nunchuk controller setup is crap as well. Any seasoned FPS player (I've played from PC to console FPS's) will get over the novelty of the Wii-mote in about 30 seconds, and realize there is no way to properly circle strafe, and that turning around it is actually SLOWER than with dual stick controls (and I don't like the dual stick console FPS gaming controls, but can do it). Looking around is controlled by moving the cursor to the edges of the screen, "WASD" movement is controlled by the Nunchuk's analog stick. This game might as well be on rails, and be a House of the Dead light gun type game. Oh, and the Wii-mote requires a Sensor bar taped/velcro'd/glued to the TV or near it in order to work. It needs line of sight, and easily goes off course if you are not in the right "zone", so all those ads of people moving all over the place is utter lies, because no line of sight = no workie.

The Wii is cute from an industrial design standpoint, but it does not have much substance on the insides. Nintendo will gain new "casual gamers" and yound kids, but they will start to alienate other gamers, particulary hardcore gamers. If the Wii is priced over $200, they are going to have problems.

-Ed
post #118 of 218
Thanks for the info Ed, looks like the 360 will be my only next gen console this time around. I was really hoping for more from Nintendo.
post #119 of 218
IGN: E3 2006: It's a Wrap

Interesting and informative read for those who have been keeping up with this thread. Check out the rest of IGN's E3 coverage of the Wii to see why the Wii-mote is not just a cute gimmick . Enjoy .
post #120 of 218
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Originally Posted by AuroraProject
Thanks for the info Ed, looks like the 360 will be my only next gen console this time around. I was really hoping for more from Nintendo.
I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss it. I haven't had a chance to play it, but from what I've heard, Ed is definitely in the minority with his opinion.

http://gaming.hexus.net/content/item...em=5607&page=3
http://revolution.ign.com/articles/708/708558p1.html
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