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post #31 of 96
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post #32 of 96
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Originally Posted by fewtch
Thanks for the excellent review... this confirms my suspicions that (A) the new DT880 is not that greatly different than the 2003 version, and (B) the K701 is essentially a better K501. In neither case has any revolution occured, only evolution. I think I know now (as well as possible without hearing them) what each headphone would sound like to me, and confirms my desire to sell my K501s and eventually get the K701 to complement my DT880s .
i wouldn't call the k701 "a better 501". its bass amount and 3dimensional soundstage are revolutionary, not evolutionary, leading to a much "fuller" sound than on their little, um, uncle (and the original dt880, haven't heard the new one).

yet i believe your desire to compliment your dt880 with k701 instead of k501 is valid - it's the route i've taken as well. you've waited and contemplated long enough, haven't you?

VERY nice comparison, ASR. i especially like the non-competitive angle
post #33 of 96
I wish some headphones sucked and some were really good, but it seems they are all really good making it hard to decide on anything. And I'm breaking the bank trying to get as many as I can.

Be careful turning the volume up ASR, we want some more reviews in the future from you, so don't damage your hearing

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Originally Posted by cheechoz
Excellent write up! I have the K701, and love it dearly, enough to not even own a Senn! I have the new DT880 coming in today, so I hope things are consistant with your findings.
Be sure to let us know when you compare what you think as well. I mean if you want
post #34 of 96
I've had my K701's for three months now, and my 2004 DT880 is getting zero listening time. I even put them the 880's up for sale, and I only do that if I can't see myself using them at all. Basically the 701's make my 880 redundant (basically all the strengths I want, without any of the drawbacks). The only thing the 880 still does better in any significant way is comfort, and its storage box which I like to use, that's it.
post #35 of 96
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Originally Posted by cheechoz
Excellent write up! I have the K701, and love it dearly, enough to not even own a Senn! I have the new DT880 coming in today, so I hope things are consistant with your findings.
One day later and you are already selling the new 880's!
post #36 of 96
Yeah i just noticed that too. Whats up with that cheechoz?
post #37 of 96
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Originally Posted by bizkid
Yeah i just noticed that too. Whats up with that cheechoz?
I think he got another set of SA5Ks coming too. Possibly up to 5 pairs bought and sold now. :lol:
post #38 of 96
Thread Starter 
I'm adding another review comparison for another CD for one major reason: to cover orchestral music better. No one knew the classical CDs I used before, and I didn't know how well-recorded they were either. And I forgot I had the Batman Begins OST so I decided to test against it today. The equipment chain I used for this one is different from the previous:

NAD T533 > Ixos IC > Little Dot Micro+ > DT880 | K701

I've stopped counting the hours of burn-in on both headphones, sorry. The K701 now has over 500 hours on it, and the DT880 over 200 hours. The Little Dot Micro+ has over 300 hours on it.

Batman Begins [Original Soundtrack] (multiple tracks from this CD)

- DT880: the details in the recording are much more apparent than on the K701, ranging from things like background noise in the orchestra/recording studio, plucking of strings, the infrequent piano parts. The presentation is simply more revealing and clear. The rush of violins especially on tracks like Artibeus (specifically the creepy violin notes) is wonderfully detailed, you can hear even the bow movements almost (they seem to be a bit masked from the recording process). The violin section actually sounds like multiple violins are playing (rather than the compacted presentation of the K701). The opening harp notes on Nycteris have more "body" than on the K701.

- K701: some of the violin detail gets lost - it's harder to pick out the violin section from the other instrument sections, violins lose their power compared to the DT880, and the higher notes just don't make it through. The violins collectively lose some cohesion - they come across more as bunched-up rather than a collection of multiple violins, especially noticeable whenever they play one-note rhythms together. However, the soundstage of the K701 comes through in its favor yet again. The orchestra sounds full and powerful, particularly on tracks like Molossus, and it's easier to discern the non-strings sections. The sound is simply more expansive. There's also a lot more air, especially with respect to individual notes. Lots of "space" around the edges of the notes.

There's a fairly big difference between the two on this CD. The DT880 just captures more raw detail and subtleties from the orchestra, while the K701 makes it more of an "enjoyable" listen than anything else. Not that it's deficient compared to the DT880, it's just that because of its airier presentation, it's easier to "relax" to.

In terms of soundstage, with the DT880 it feels like you're in the conductor's spot. With the K701, it feels like you're in a big concert hall, several rows back.
post #39 of 96
ASR, I think this time you're being more precise with your description of these 2 cans. The new 880 is a completely different animal from its predessor, in fact it address all the weaknesses, having a fuller mids/bass which goes very low with definition. I agree the presentation is more up front, but it does it in a way which is not offensive, presenting detail smoothly. The 701 gives a different laid back kind of soundstage, you're further from the stage, and the stage is that much "bigger". Details are there, but it doesn't differentiate between the group of instruments, just between different instruments.

At the end of the day, it really depends on the listener and his/her preferences. More up front type A - 880, more laid back type B - 701. BTW, I do prefer the 880 new model pls, I'm a type A guy, and I like my cans to have this detail thank you.
post #40 of 96
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Originally Posted by Riordan
yet i believe your desire to compliment your dt880 with k701 instead of k501 is valid - it's the route i've taken as well. you've waited and contemplated long enough, haven't you?
True, I just don't have the funds right now. I'm actually in the process of quitting nicotine use (via nicorette gum) and when that's over with my expendable income is going to go up substantially... paving the way to get the K701 before too long. At the moment I'm in a holding pattern, just enjoying my DT880s (and wishing I had a better CDP too, but that's a whole 'nother thread).

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Originally Posted by warpdriver
I've had my K701's for three months now, and my 2004 DT880 is getting zero listening time. I even put them the 880's up for sale, and I only do that if I can't see myself using them at all. Basically the 701's make my 880 redundant (basically all the strengths I want, without any of the drawbacks). The only thing the 880 still does better in any significant way is comfort, and its storage box which I like to use, that's it.
Fair enough... not everyone is going to view it that way though. I sold my HD580s after getting the DT880 because I thought they made for a *horrible* contrast and didn't complement each other at all, but there are people around here enjoying both headphones. It's all subjective. If I find the DT880 redundant the way you did after getting the K701 then I'll sell it, but I'm not expecting this to happen. If it does tho, that's more money in the bank and nothing to complain about from me.
post #41 of 96
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Originally Posted by cmk
The new 880 is a completely different animal from its predessor, in fact it address all the weaknesses, having a fuller mids/bass which goes very low with definition. I agree the presentation is more up front, but it does it in a way which is not offensive, presenting detail smoothly.
OK, this is interesting to me. I'm currently comparing the 2003 version DT880 to the AKG K501, trying to decide which one suits me best. If the DT880 had the upfront midrange of the K501, it wouldn't be a contest. But the tendency of the (old) DT880 to recess the midrange (and explode the bass) really annoys me on some recordings.

So you're saying that the new DT880 brings the midrange into clearer/closer relief? And doesn't lose any of the detail that the older DT880 possesses?
post #42 of 96

Interesting....

This thread, also, is very interesting to be, being a fan of the K701 and a former owner of an '05 880.

Both are relatively close in their general style, but perhaps you could elaborate on related sound issues:

1. Does the 880 have any additional tonal "fullness," or is it still in a comparetively "spare" style?

2. How far away from the listener is the sonic displacement?
post #43 of 96
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Originally Posted by davidhw
OK, this is interesting to me. I'm currently comparing the 2003 version DT880 to the AKG K501, trying to decide which one suits me best. If the DT880 had the upfront midrange of the K501, it wouldn't be a contest. But the tendency of the (old) DT880 to recess the midrange (and explode the bass) really annoys me on some recordings.

So you're saying that the new DT880 brings the midrange into clearer/closer relief? And doesn't lose any of the detail that the older DT880 possesses?
Most certainly, the new 880 has more mids than before, in fact its quite close to the 501 in this respect. Though I would say the 880's highs have a bit more sparkle, and the bass is a no contest, the 880 is the clear winner.
post #44 of 96
I found I preferred my old model recabled DT880s over the k701s when I tried them. k701s had too much upper bass and not enough extension. It also lacked the high-end sparkle of the 880. Separation was very good but didn't sound as spacious as the DT880.

My 880s are re-cabled so YMMV
post #45 of 96
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Originally Posted by spinali
This thread, also, is very interesting to be, being a fan of the K701 and a former owner of an '05 880.

Both are relatively close in their general style, but perhaps you could elaborate on related sound issues:

1. Does the 880 have any additional tonal "fullness," or is it still in a comparetively "spare" style?

2. How far away from the listener is the sonic displacement?
Between the 701 and the 880, both have similar fullness, this does not differentiate them. The difference lies in the nuances. Not sure what you mean by "spare" style?

Subjectively, I'd reckon the 880 is like row 8 in a concert hall, while the 701 is like a row 15. Both have valid musical presentations, depending on your musical preference. I suppose on large orchestral works, the 701 will work much better in providing the scale of the orchestra.
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