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Vintage receivers (Pioneer, Luxman, Marantz, Sansui)?

post #1 of 23
Thread Starter 
Hi there,

just for kicks, I have started to look around eBay for a vintage receiver. Could anyone direct me toward some of the more sought-after treasures?

Maybe you have a nice URL handy, or can come up with certain model designations for me to search for.

Thanks, M.
post #2 of 23
Vintage McIntosh (i have one for sale too). Vintage Sansui (especially amps). Vintage Marantz. I would say that anything from the previously mentioned companies are good stuff.

After that I guess you have to know your stuff. Some vintage speakers are really good such as JBL 4311's, JBL L100's. JBL L150's, Bozak Concert Grands and Jensen 700XL's. Just do a search on google and you'll find tons of links for high quality vintage gear.
post #3 of 23
Are you looking for a receiver or one that also has an integrated amp?

If you're just after a receiver, I've been exceedingly happy with a H.H. Scott 350B multiplex (stereo) FM tube tuner. It only does FM, but sounds fantastic. If you'd like to read more about them, as well as the rest of the H.H. Scott offerings (including those with integrated amps) take a look here:

http://hhscott.com/

Prices are still reasonable for a lot of this gear, too. Information, schematics, etc. are also easy to find.
post #4 of 23
For Marantz the most sought after, excluding the $2500-3500 tube amps from the 60s, would be the 185 wpc Marantz 2385, the 70 wpc 2270, the 38 wpc 2238B, for receivers. For amplifiers, the 1060 and 1060B are both well suited for Grados and Sennheisers, 30 wpc, the 1070 and 1090 are also the big brothers to these and should have the same warm sound tonality, these are 35 and 45 wpc respectively. For higher end ss amps the 1122DC and 1200 integrated are supposed to be pretty good too, 61 and 100 wpc. My dad used to have a Marantz 1300DC back in the late 70's, early 80's and he said it was absolutely stunning, both in terms of sound and build quality, of course to find one now in mint condition would cost you close to four grand, he only paid 1k back then, too bad he didn't keep it, would have been mine .
post #5 of 23
Hey all, I just bought a NAD 7020 and I've heard that they have a great headphone section, which I'm going to be using as my new headphone amp. So I'll report back to you all when I pick it up.
post #6 of 23
Thread Starter 
Thanks for all your suggestions so far. Do you happen to know of some space on the web where enthusiasts meet and exchange info (sort of like head-fi)? I am looking for an integrated with luxurious looks, a good headphone section and possibly FM reception.
post #7 of 23
"Thanks for all your suggestions so far. Do you happen to know of some space on the web where enthusiasts meet and exchange info (sort of like head-fi)? I am looking for an integrated with luxurious looks, a good headphone section and possibly FM reception."

For more info on vintage hi-fi you can check out < www.audiokarma.org >.

I have a vintage Marantz 2285 receiver. You will find that all the Marantz amps/receiver from the "Superscope" era, and earlier, the Saul Marantz era, will work great. Also some of the other vintage brands are nice too, like Sansui, particularly the amps are good. I'd recommend investigating; Marantz, Sansui, Luxman, Yamaha and MacIntosh. For tube units try the Fisher brand. The Marantz units, will drive most any headphone with authority, even the AKG K1000's.

Happy listening!

- augustwest
post #8 of 23
This might help a bit: http://www.classicaudio.com . I have no affiliation with them. I just find the information there interesting.
post #9 of 23
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Originally Posted by augustwest

I have a vintage Marantz 2285 receiver. You will find that all the Marantz amps/receiver from the "Superscope" era, and earlier, the Saul Marantz era, will work great. Also some of the other vintage brands are nice too, like Sansui, particularly the amps are good. I'd recommend investigating; Marantz, Sansui, Luxman, Yamaha and MacIntosh. For tube units try the Fisher brand. The Marantz units, will drive most any headphone with authority, even the AKG K1000's.

Happy listening!

- augustwest

How would a dedicated headphone amp like one the cheaper chinese ones or even the MF Xcan v3 compare with these vintage recivers or amps?
post #10 of 23
I would recommend you PM moderator joelongwood, he is an avid vintage gear collector and is just a little bit insane. Here is an example of his insanity.
post #11 of 23
Thread Starter 
Very impressive. I particularly like JoeLongwood's taste regarding turntables: One TD125 and what I perceive to be an Empire on the other rack.

My recent TD125 MK2 restauration has proven to me that top of the line vintage equipment of yesteryear can definitely compete with much of today's offerings if you just give it some love and attention. It got a new plinth, a complete motor overhaul, new acrylic armboard, tonearm and of course cart. The deck sweeps the floor with just about anything I have heard under 2000 bucks. A friend just went crazy and upgraded his TD125 MKII with a SME iV and Ortofon SPU N to great effect. FYI: Tonearm and cart retail for a combined 3500 Euro and are very close to the absolut best money, any money, can buy!

I am wondering if someone has actually modded his vintage Marantz receiver/amp with some blackgates or psu upgrades...
post #12 of 23
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Originally Posted by JMT
I would recommend you PM moderator joelongwood, he is an avid vintage gear collector and is just a little bit insane.
I'm glad you said "just a little bit insane," JMT..........thanks for the kind words.
mattigol, two things I would recommend.
First, don't overlook the lower powered units in each manufacturer's line, as they go for a helluva lot less than the TOTL models. It's amazing to me how little wattage is really necessary for enjoyable music, particularly when they are REAL RMS per channel watts from 20hz-20 khz with both channels driven. The power meters on a few of my receivers and amps usually show less than 1 watt being used while the sound is pretty much in the "Turn it down!" mode..... (wife's words).
Secondly, there are some excellent receivers available from lesser known manufacturers such as Sherwood and Harmon Kardon. I have a Sherwood 7200 receiver in a walnut case that looks like it just came from the factory. The thing is over 30 years old, puts out about 35 watts per channel and sounds GREAT. They can be found on eBay for around $30-40! I also recommend the Harmon Kardon Twin Powered series, the 430, 630, 730, and 930. I have the 430 and 730, identical except the 730 has more wattage and pre in/out jumpers. They are probably my favorites as they have a very warm, full sound with none of the so-called SS harshness that gave SS a bad rap in it's early days. The H/Ks sound absolutely wonderful with any horn speakers, such as Klipsch or early Altec/JBL.
Enjoy the journey.
post #13 of 23
"First, don't overlook the lower powered units in each manufacturer's line, as they go for a helluva lot less than the TOTL models. It's amazing to me how little wattage is really necessary for enjoyable music, particularly when they are REAL RMS per channel watts from 20hz-20 khz with both channels driven."

This is excellent advice, and very true. The lower line units are often over looked, while people pay top dollar for the flagship models of yesteryear. That is where the true bargains are today.

- augustwest
post #14 of 23
Here is some information to support the idea that low line models from yesteryear's are well worth investigating. The information is from "Legendary Audio Classics".

< http://www.classic-audio.com/marantz/mfaq.html >

Quote:
Why does a 35 watt Marantz sound better and louder than many 100 watt receivers?

Because 35 watts/channel as specified by Marantz in the 1970's meant...

" The unit can deliver 35 watts into 8 ohms for one hour, from all channels at the same time, with no significant change in distortion, or other specifications, at any time during, or after, the test hour."

...while 100 watts/channel today (for instance, in my JVC surround system) means...


" The unit can deliver 100 watts for a fraction of a second, in one channel only, if the other channels aren't running and nothing else high energy has happened to drain the power supply of stored energy in the last few seconds."


As with the philosophy of at least one major headphone amp manufacture, "it's all about the use and control of power".



- augustwest
post #15 of 23
This is a bit of an interesting thread to be honest...

I have to admit I still love the sound of my Vintage Realistic STA-450 receiver. I havn't found any information about it online. It's certainly not a flagship model by any means and not overly powerful. It's actually not that heavy (so no huge powersupply like many of the vintage receivers). Hooked up to speakers the thing sounds 100x better than a new cheapo Stereo Receiver that weighs 3x as much.

The headphone section can drive almost any headphone with authority IMHO. I still enjoy the sound of the headphone section sometimes. The weakensses are similar to what others have mentioned. Maybe a bit dark (but is flexible since it has Treble, Bass and Loudness controlls) and unfortunately I think the output impedance is fairly high as I can hear a bit of a hiss with no music playing through my HD570s, never mind driving my 16ohm IEMs... the hiss is even louder. I like the PA2V2s sound still though, it's got a very quiet sound floor but admittedly can't drive my HD570s with the same authority. For moderate to medium listening volumes it is ok (I don't usually listen above these levels) but it clips easily with my HD570s because they are kind of hard to dive. The PA2V2 does add some extra detail though and that's what I use most of the time

Don't discount the vintage receivers for sure it's fun to have one or two hanging around. Clean them up (dirty pots etc. can kind of ruin the experience) and enjoy. Many people are getting rid of them in favor of "Home Theater" so sometimes you can get them for FREE or very cheap.
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