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GRADO RS-1 & GS1000 [compare & contrast]

post #1 of 31
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As we all probably know by now, the GS1000 were unveiled only days ago at the first National Head-Fi Meet. Before last Saturday, the RS-1 had held the top position for more than a decade (besides the short run of the PS-1). Now based on the positive meet impressions the GS1000 have garnered a lot of excitement and good and growing word of mouth. It is inevitable that the RS-1 and GS1000 will be compared and contrasted more and more within the coming weeks and months, especially after GS1000 owners have had an opportunity to burn them in and those that also own the RS-1 give us their feedback impressions.

Well, let’s get the ball rolling since I assume I am not that only one that didn’t make it to the meet and would like to know how the RS-1 and GS1000 stack up against one another. I know meet conditions aren't ideal, but let's work with what we got so far because it has been suggested that some Head-Fiers are already gravitating towards the GS1000 by selling their RS-1s or other equipment to finance this new acquisition.

Obviously, GS1000 is $300 more than the RS-1.

The GS1000 has new foam pads that have been reported to be the most comfortable ever produced by Grado Labs. Those lucky enough to try on the GS1000 have indicated that they feel extremely light too, possibly lighter and more comfortable than the RS-1. Beside better comfort the most important thing is sonically how would one compare and contrast the RS-1 with the GS1000?

The GS1000 soundstage has been reported as unbelievably huge and one can imply seemingly much larger than the RS-1. It is generally accepted that the RS-1 is known for an upfront and aggressive presentation is the GS1000 similar or at least come close? So would it be a safe assumption the RS-1 puts you between the musicians and the GS1000 puts you dead center in the first or second row. Is the GS1000 as detailed as the RS-1? How does RS-1’s soundstage compare? At the benefit of seemingly getting a larger soundstage than the RS-1 does the GS1000 scarifies anything while making that gain?

Any other questions or concerns are welcome in relation to how the RS-1 and the GS1000 could be compared and contrasted against one another.
post #2 of 31
Build quality? Perhaps harder wood or sturdier cable?
post #3 of 31
I would (pun avoided) definitely like to know how the GS-1000 sounds with the bowls, flats and comfies. I think a lot of us waiting to hear how much of the soundstage is attributable to the new jumbo-foamies (and of course, if they'll fit on the other Grados!), too.
All new drivers too... so many questions!!!
post #4 of 31
Thread Starter 
I know that some of these questions or concerns might be addressed in the National meet impressions thread or some of the other few GS1000 threads post so far, but it would more convenient and concise to see all the information centralized in one thread pertaining to specifically how the RS-1 and GS1000 compare against one another, at least in IMO.
post #5 of 31
I agree. Especially for the sake of people at liberty to purchase either headphone at the moment; even more so for someone who was about to buy an RS-1!
post #6 of 31
It's too early to compare the RS-1 and GS-1000. At this point, having heard both, all I have to say is that they're different. I can easily see true RS-1 fans preferring it over the GS-1000.

It would take an amazing set of ears to determine based on brief meet impressions whether the GS-1000 was a "better" headphone.

Unless John Grado, Todd or one of the very few who have spent a meaningful amount of time have anything to say, I suspect it will be at least two months before we get any meaningful impressions.

Oh, GS-1000 is mad MEGA-BASS with flats. I imagine they're just MEGA-BASS with bowls. Grado clearly voiced the GS-1000 for the bagels.

Also, I wouldn't use bagels with the RS-1 or any other Grado. Well, maybe the HP1000. But that's just to annoy Joe.

Best,

-Jason
post #7 of 31
Looking at the price of the RS-1 and PS-1, I shutter when I think of how much the GS1000 will cost. Does anybody know?
post #8 of 31
Well i think even though there was a lot of excitement surrounding them I think I will wait it out. I will wait to see the negatives. I heard one but that was on unfamilar equipment and it was at a meet.

Will the novelty of a Grado with soundstaging and depth hide the core sound from the people who heard them? Only time will tell.
post #9 of 31
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Originally Posted by 003
Looking at the price of the RS-1 and PS-1, I shutter when I think of how much the GS1000 will cost. Does anybody know?
995 from Todd
post #10 of 31
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by jjcha
It's too early to compare the RS-1 and GS-1000. At this point, having heard both, all I have to say is that they're different. I can easily see true RS-1 fans preferring it over the GS-1000.

It would take an amazing set of ears to determine based on brief meet impressions whether the GS-1000 was a "better" headphone.

Unless John Grado, Todd or one of the very few who have spent a meaningful amount of time have anything to say, I suspect it will be at least two months before we get any meaningful impressions.

Oh, GS-1000 is mad MEGA-BASS with flats. I imagine they're just MEGA-BASS with bowls. Grado clearly voiced the GS-1000 for the bagels.

Also, I wouldn't use bagels with the RS-1 or any other Grado. Well, maybe the HP1000. But that's just to annoy Joe.

Best,

-Jason
Thanks for your input; and I do agree that it is early, but the game has begun. So it wouldn’t hurt to work with what limited information we already have and gather those impressions in one place where interested Head-Fiers can look about the two top offerings from Grado. This isn't meant to be the be all and end all, but an initial starting point upon which to build.
post #11 of 31
I guess. Just keep in mind people have only heard two prototypes of the GS-1000, each of which are different and sound different. I don't know which Grado will go with in the end.

Best,

-Jason
post #12 of 31
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Originally Posted by jjcha
Oh, GS-1000 is mad MEGA-BASS with flats. I imagine they're just MEGA-BASS with bowls. Grado clearly voiced the GS-1000 for the bagels.

Also, I wouldn't use bagels with the RS-1 or any other Grado. Well, maybe the HP1000. But that's just to annoy Joe.
Jason- Just to clarify, are you basically saying that if the new bagels were used on any other Grado that the bass may seem quite diminished given it's bowl-like design (and that it's known that regular bowls have less bass), and also factoring in the massive (maybe be too much) bass you heard with flats on the GS1000? Whew, that was a mouthful to get out.
post #13 of 31
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by jjcha
I guess. Just keep in mind people have only heard two prototypes of the GS-1000, each of which are different and sound different. I don't know which Grado will go with in the end.

Best,

-Jason
John will clearly pick the better sounding prototype.

I kid, I kid, but seriously I read most, if not all, of the threads and posts about the GS1000; and even though, I know there were two proto GS1000s at the meet I didn’t know they sounded different. How much of a difference and what was particularly noticeable to your ears between the two protos? And which one did Todd take with him? I think that might be a good indication of the final direction John will take with the GS1000.
post #14 of 31
The things we know about the GS1k and its bagels for sure:

1. The Bagels make every other Grado suck. No mid-lower end.

2. Flats on the GS1k give you the most bass you've ever freaking heard.

3. The GS1k has soundstage like crazy.

Everything else seems kinda subjective at this point. It was too loud to make any real comparisons, though I did listen to both a little.

I feel like I can safely say: RS1= being on the stage, GS1k= being two-three rows back.

I hope to compare them in a quiet environment as soon as I can.
post #15 of 31
Curiously, has a point of relativity been established for the definition of sound-stage as it relates the Grado Labs GS1000? I suspect the definition of a wider sound-stage in most cases refers to comparison with the RS1. I am interested to learn more about the increased sound-stage relative to headphones other than Grado Labs products for obvious reasons. Finally, can any users share more information about the directional dimensionality of the GS1000 sound-stage.

Best,
iDesign
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