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post #16 of 84
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Originally Posted by warnsey
For your budget there are quite a few options. ...
...none of them good. For that budget, you'll get mediocre sound at best.
post #17 of 84
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Originally Posted by bigshot
This gentleman knows what he's talking about.
I should hope so; it is my job, after all (I work in a high end store during school vacations).

Anyway, I'd agree that you should spend most of the budget on speakers. Synergy is important, but I think in your position the best thing to do would be to get a pair of speakers in the ~$800 range. Then pick up an amplifier on Audiogon that seems (from reviews, etc.) that it might work for you. At your price point the speakers are the most important thing to do right. Good speakers + poor amplifier tends to sound better than poor speakers + good amplifier, in my experience. When you have more money you can do the same thing for the amplifier (listen to a bunch and buy the one you like the best), then sell the old one on Audiogon.
post #18 of 84
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Originally Posted by pawlowski6132
...none of them good. For that budget, you'll get mediocre sound at best.
That is a load of rubbish. For that price you will get good sound. You will not get the best and there is far better but you will get good sound. Good is subjective...
post #19 of 84
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Originally Posted by pawlowski6132
...none of them good. For that budget, you'll get mediocre sound at best.
My, my, aren't we elitist?

post #20 of 84
First off, jj15k, you are in luck. France is renown for excellent field coil speakers. Instead of a permanent magnet driving the cones, field coil drivers use an electromagnet. There are many advantages to the design. For whatever reason, they're much more of a niche component in the rest of the world. They shouldn't be. Take a look at Supravox, and I believe there are several other manufacturers right in your backyard. Hook up a pair to a nice single ended triode amp and bliss out.

As for the main thread, have you looked much at DIY speakers? It's a great way to save a few bucks. I couldn't be happier with the ones I've built and think they are excellent value for the dollar. Same with amps. Tube amp designs and plans are plentiful. Nelson Pass' Zen amps are superb, and there are several other DIY PCB amps available.

If you want to go commercial, I've been impressed with Bryston amps. You can find reasonable used ones on eBay. They all have transferable 20 year warranties, so anything you buy would be covered. I've heard a few good NAD amps, too, and they're reasonable.

For commercial speakers, I still think the best value on the market is the Magnepan MMG. At $550, it's a steal.
post #21 of 84
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Originally Posted by AdamP88
My, my, aren't we elitist?

Yeah, no kidding. It's guys saying that $1000 won't get you good sound that drive people away from this hobby. It won't get you the best out there, but by any normal standards it'll be damn good.
post #22 of 84
It's a fact jack. If you can't deal with it...oh well.
post #23 of 84
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Originally Posted by pawlowski6132
It's a fact jack. If you can't deal with it...oh well.
Who's fact?? Your own. I would say that is an opinion not a fact.
post #24 of 84
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Originally Posted by pawlowski6132
It's a fact jack. If you can't deal with it...oh well.
Um, no. No it's not. It's an opinion.

I work in a high end store, so I've spent a lot of time listening to a wide variety of diffent systems. I've used everything from $500 systems up to $150,000 system. Yes, when I listen, of course I use the $150K system, who wouldn't? But (IMO, which by the way, you should add to your post) you can get very decent sound for under $1000. And if you ask lots of audiophiles out there with $$$$ systems, most of them would tell you the same thing! Just because what the OP can afford is not as good as your stuff, doesn't mean it doesn't sound good! Sure, your system sounds better, but his will still sound GOOD. It's not about what's best, it's about what's good, and I can't believe you can sit there and say that $800 speakers sound "mediocre." What a load of crap!

Why don't you just stop thread-crapping and let the op find some speakers within his budget? I'll say it again: it's people like you that turn people off of this hobby.

Let me ask you something: What was your first system? I'm guessing you probably didn't jump straight to several Ks worth of gear. Did you think that first system was "mediocre?" Probably not. So stop telling the op that "inexpensive" stuff isn't any good.

Oh, and before you tell me I "can't deal with" the fact that my system is "mediocre," why don't you check my profile first, okay? Thanks.
post #25 of 84
I use systems costing well over $100K and can tell you that you can definitely get a great sounding system for $1K. I used to have the Onix Ref.1/SP3 combo from AV123 and have also bought the combo for several of my friends. It's a great audiophile setup that won't break the bank:

http://www.av123.com/products_produc...s&product=65.1

post #26 of 84
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Originally Posted by pawlowski6132
It's a fact jack. If you can't deal with it...oh well.
Fact? The only thing that statement shows is your ignorance.

As to the original question, I think the ascend CMT 340SE's and Onix RS250s are very good choices in the under $1K range. You might also want to check audiogon for a pair Green Mountain Audio Europas.
post #27 of 84
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Originally Posted by pawlowski6132
It's a fact jack. If you can't deal with it...oh well.
consider this a duplicate flame.
post #28 of 84
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Originally Posted by tennisets
Yeah, no kidding. It's guys saying that $1000 won't get you good sound that drive people away from this hobby. It won't get you the best out there, but by any normal standards it'll be damn good.
Not to sound elitist or anything, but my 1500€ (they cost that much back when I got them 2 or 3 years ago) Bowers & Wilkins lose when I compare them to my 400€ AKG K701! Well, this may be because they are not connected to high-end amps (ROTEL RC-03 and RB-03 combi of around 1000€ together), and you can't really compare speakers and headphones in a reasonable way, but the headphones are much more revealing, much more intimate, and the overall sound is just much better.

Headphones really are tough to beat considering price/performance ratio.
post #29 of 84
Which is why we re here
post #30 of 84
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Originally Posted by pawlowski6132
It's a fact jack. If you can't deal with it...oh well.
Just remember, that no matter how much you've spent on your system there is some one else in this world that's spent way more and probably thinks what you have isn't worth jack. Stop spewing the hate and ruining what should be a thoroughly enjoyable process for someone who just wants to buy some gear.

To the OP, try looking at Monitor Audio, they make some good stuff in your price range.
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