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post #1 of 24
Thread Starter 
Hi everyone,

I recently bought a hd580, revo, and an amp from a friend. Unfortunately, it is not as satisfying as I hoped it would be. My exact audio chain is:

CD > EAC > Flac > Foobar > ASIO > Revo 7.1 > Kimberkable > DIY Amp > HD580.

I mainly listen to soft rock, with a couple of Jazz cds thrown in. I also have loads of crappy mp3s.
Problem is, the senns are not sounding much better than my old philips cans (HP800) I mean I can hear a difference, but nowhere near what I paid for the senns. My friend is saying its the problem with the source, that the hd580s need a better sound card, and a much better amp to shine.

So, will I need to upgrade? Or could it be that my ears have gone bad?

Thanks in advance
post #2 of 24
Your friend is right, the problem is with the source. Adding a DAC would probably be the best way to go.

Probably the quickest fix would be to order the SilverStone EB01 USB DAC. They're pretty well-regarded around here and only about $90 USD.

The other weak link may be your amplifier. There's nothing wrong with DIY amps, but what kind is it? If you have a DIY amp intended for speakers, you might have an impedance mismatch.

The rest of what you use, the HD-580, EAC, Foobar, etc. are all quite good. So if your amp is appropriate, a DAC will get you where you should be.
post #3 of 24
Thread Starter 
Hey, thanks for the quick reply

My friend doesnt know much about the amp, as even he had got it made from someone. But he is sure that it is impedance matched. I'l look into the silverstone DAC. And just in case, could you recommend some amp for me? Below $200 please.
post #4 of 24
Thread Starter 
Hey,

I think I might be able to spend (blow? ) some more for this. So maybe I can get a soundcard and an amp. Now, I'm a supernoob when it comes to headphone amps. I tried the amps section, and was totally flabbergasted. Could anyone suggest where I can start reading up on amps?

Thanks in advance
post #5 of 24
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Originally Posted by zhopudey
Hey,

I think I might be able to spend (blow? ) some more for this. So maybe I can get a soundcard and an amp. Now, I'm a supernoob when it comes to headphone amps. I tried the amps section, and was totally flabbergasted. Could anyone suggest where I can start reading up on amps?

Thanks in advance
You could search the amplifier section for "HD 580" in the title of the thread, I did it for you: http://www4.head-fi.org/forums/searc...archid=2079224

I don't know how much you want to spend, but I remember a lot of people suggesting either a Gilmore Lite or Rega Ear for my HD 580's, I purchased the Gilmore Lite and quite like it, plus it is upgradeable. You may be able to find some cheap ones in the FS/FT section.

Gilmore Lite $300 USD
Rega Ear $250? USD

- Steve

Edit: Here are some reviews of the Gilmore Lite done by members of Head-Fi
http://www6.head-fi.org/forums/showthread.php?t=84554
http://www6.head-fi.org/forums/showthread.php?t=128981
post #6 of 24
Thread Starter 

Lots of questions.

Thanks, steve

I have a budget of around $300-$400 for the soundcard + amp. For the soundcard, I'm looking at 0404. Would it be a considerable improvement over my revo? I've read that the 0404 is a bit analytical and cold. What can I do to make it sound warmer? Or is there any other soundcard I should consider? How is the Onkyo soundcard?

For the amp, I found a guy who could build one for me, if I give him the circuit diagram Would that be better than going for a retail amp such as gilmore, rega or headroom?

And if I go for diy, what are my options? I've found out Pimeta, PPA, M3. How much do these cost?
post #7 of 24
DIY amps are certianly the cheapest if you get the labour for free. Amps aren't really made all that expensive by their components, it's the time that it takes to make them. I think my PPA took about 2-4 hours to fully construct and I had an extremely skilled person working on it (not me).

As for cost, varies wildly because you get to pick the parts. The more expensive parts you pick, the more it costs. I don't have recipts anymore but I think my PPA cost around $250. That was with fairly high end parts, 1% Vishay Dale resistors, 627/637 opamps, 12 buffers, and Cerafine caps. It's pretty close to a maxed out V1 PPA.

I have no basis for comparison since it's the only headphone amp I own, but in theory it should be on the same performance plane as the Headroom Home or Maybe Max line. Same grade components at any rate and similar design. Either way the thing can hit, with my ATH-700 headphones it feels like you are getting your head kicked with bass tests.

One thing to note about the DIY designs you listed is they are all DC amps. They will amplify any signal, down to a steady DC source. Means you need to make sure your source (soundcard or DAC) is low DC offset or that could get amped to unsafe levels. If the person who's building the amps for you knows electronics they can add input caps to deal with DC offset, but there's no place on the boards for them.

In your price range I would probably look at a quality PIMETA build. Don't go overboard with components. You could also look at a PPA, but it's easy for the price ot creep up on that.
post #8 of 24
Nothing wrong with a PIMETA, but if you have a friend who will build an amp for you, be sure to consider tube amps. You can find many designs here:

http://headwize.com/projects/index.htm

Tube amps are a little easier to source parts for and can be wired point-to-point. Because of that, you can have some fun with the enclosure. You could put it in an old cabinet, or even have someone weld a custom one for you. And you will still save money over a commercial amp. It'll also be wired for your electrical system. By the way, what voltage and frequency AC do you have in India? I'm curious.

Oh, and if a soundcard sounds "cold," a tube amp will fix that.
post #9 of 24
Thread Starter 
Thanks

We have 220V 50Hz here. I'll check out headwize, and come back with more questions

BTW, any suggestions about the soundcard?
post #10 of 24
Thread Starter 
Hey,

I went through the tube amp designs @ headwize, and am no less confused than before Most of them don't mention the prices of the components. And where I can read some reviews for those designs?
post #11 of 24
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Originally Posted by zhopudey
Problem is, the senns are not sounding much better than my old philips cans (HP800) I mean I can hear a difference, but nowhere near what I paid for the senns. My friend is saying its the problem with the source, that the hd580s need a better sound card, and a much better amp to shine.
No you don't need to upgrade IMHO
SennHD580 are very near their max potential on non-EQ music straight out of an ipod. If you're doing things like bass boost however... all bets are off

I think you'll be setting yourself up for another big dissappointment("upgrading" source will show up even less improvement than the headphone upgrade.)
post #12 of 24
Thread Starter 
OMG!!! What are you saying! Then what are all those peeps talking about in the mile long "HD580 appreciation" thread??
post #13 of 24
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Originally Posted by zhopudey
OMG!!! What are you saying! Then what are all those peeps talking about in the mile long "HD580 appreciation" thread??
Thats audio in general
Youll be paying thousands for 1% difference

If that isnt your thing, just stop now
post #14 of 24
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Originally Posted by PeeeMeS
No you don't need to upgrade IMHO
SennHD580 are very near their max potential on non-EQ music straight out of an ipod. If you're doing things like bass boost however... all bets are off

I think you'll be setting yourself up for another big dissappointment("upgrading" source will show up even less improvement than the headphone upgrade.)
I don't think very many people would agree with this. I personally made the source upgrade from Revo 7.1 to EMU 0404 and to my ears the SQ is much better (my setup is Uberstandard MP3's->ASIO->EMU 0404->Gilmore Lite->HD 580). I don't really know how to describe it in audiophile terms, but to me it was a worthwhile upgrade. There is increased clarity and the music/instruments sound more realistic. You may as well try upgrading your source and if it doesn't "do anything for you", i'm sure some places will let you return it.
post #15 of 24
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Originally Posted by PeeeMeS
Thats audio in general
Youll be paying thousands for 1% difference

If that isnt your thing, just stop now
Have you even had a source better than an Ipod or a Revo 7.1? You can get more than a 1% increase for spending $100 or so on a better source (be it DAC or soundcard)... There would hardly be interest in hi-fidelity audio if this weren't the case.
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