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post #61 of 143
4/3/06 at 5:25pm
Ignorant probably would have been a better word to place in their instead of weird.
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post #62 of 143
4/3/06 at 5:26pm
Anyone heard of samsung J70. It appears to be better than Ipod and Creative. Here's the link


http://www6.head-fi.org/forums/showthread.php?t=172469
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post #63 of 143
4/4/06 at 4:06pm
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Cjattwood
Ignorant probably would have been a better word to place in their instead of weird.
I can strech as far as being called disrespectful, but not ignorant. I have listened to the ipod and don't feel that my impression is ignorant. Nor do I feel, that I need to express myself like an ambassadeur just because we are talking about apple. Anyway, I don't see what's so holy about ipod. IMO, it was crap when it first got released and after 5 or 6 generations, it still isn't good... So where is the crime in saying that I don't whant ipoders opinions? I again stress that I have listened to the ipod despite what all of you seem to think. And I wasn't impressed. Have any of you critics even heard the Monolith (premium) anyway???
I think the ipod has gotten so popular due to the design (and hey, its apple). Many pple probably aren't aware of that different players sound different. They simply buy what is nice looking, or think, well, 50 million pple bought it, it can't be bad.
Although I don't think that head-fiers are this ignorant. You simply got cheated somehow else
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post #64 of 143
4/4/06 at 4:22pm
Why ask for something you can't stop. Thats just futile.

The iPod isn't "crap" its flawed, but it has good points and bad ones. You are simply ignorant of the good points. Most of the community isn't that blinkered.

I'd like to hear more about the 6th gen though. Especially as its not released.
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post #65 of 143
4/4/06 at 6:29pm
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Originally Posted by SgtE
I can strech as far as being called disrespectful, but not ignorant. I have listened to the ipod and don't feel that my impression is ignorant. Nor do I feel, that I need to express myself like an ambassadeur just because we are talking about apple. Anyway, I don't see what's so holy about ipod. IMO, it was crap when it first got released and after 5 or 6 generations, it still isn't good... So where is the crime in saying that I don't whant ipoders opinions? I again stress that I have listened to the ipod despite what all of you seem to think. And I wasn't impressed. Have any of you critics even heard the Monolith (premium) anyway???
I think the ipod has gotten so popular due to the design (and hey, its apple). Many pple probably aren't aware of that different players sound different. They simply buy what is nice looking, or think, well, 50 million pple bought it, it can't be bad.
Although I don't think that head-fiers are this ignorant. You simply got cheated somehow else
Jeez. If you're so convinced about the monolith's superiority, why not just buy that?
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post #66 of 143
4/4/06 at 7:03pm
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Originally Posted by jagorev
Jeez. If you're so convinced about the monolith's superiority, why not just buy that?
Word.
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post #67 of 143
4/4/06 at 7:11pm
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Originally Posted by SgtE
Although I don't think that head-fiers are this ignorant. You simply got cheated somehow else
Not ignorant. Right, simply cheated. Cheated by what? Cheated by their ears because they think the iPod sounds good and it actually isn't?
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post #68 of 143
4/4/06 at 9:18pm
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Originally Posted by SgtE
Would you care to elaborate that? Do you feel I am weird because I don't like the way your player sound?

I think your "weird" because you have come to a place where the 5G ipod+lossless+lineout+amp+decent phones is widely accepted to be decent to good sounding rig--to ask for recommendations when :

1) you already know people are going to recommend the ipod but you dont wanna listen?

2) you already are biased towards something you have in mind BUT want to hear more comments from the people here, BUT you arent open to the suggestions from most of those here?

3) asking for a "best" DAP in itself is already inducing a flaming war...

Im not an expert but after lurking around here sometime, Ive realized that "best" is as subjective as it can be...some people might prefer bass/treble rolloff due to some inherent hearing disability, some with sensitive ears might prefer more laid back sound, some with hearing problems might prefer players with a higher output, some prefer large capacities to carry entire library of lossless, some prefer convienience of flash builtin USB, the personel preferences are infinite and not many people nowdays can claim they have "balanced" ears...

most of the people here I respect their willingness to experiment and share their thoughts openly(and volunterily). they go out of their way to put their stuff to extensive tests and trials and even keep a record for our reference, all in the name of "seeking for a better sound". most of the time they do not have any form of extreme biasness and are always receptive to suggestions.

I cant help but find those who come in here to ask for recommendations when theres already so may similiar threads REALLY WEIRD...people nowdays are really so used to getting spoonfed information...

as much as we always keep an open ear to better sound, most importantly I think we should all keep an open mind(its whats between my ears anyways )

ok enough ranting...my question to you is this...if your ears are so good to hear such a big difference in SQ, you would probably be able to hear the difference between mp3 and lossless? if so, since you do not want to compromise any bit on SQ how many lossless tracks can you carry in your monolith? this is clearly a compromise on capacity...but if your listening to mp3s, I think ur kinda self contradictory then since that IS compromising on SQ...

disclaimer: ALL IMO
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post #69 of 143
4/4/06 at 11:01pm
Everyone's ignorant.
Well, except stupid people of course.
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post #70 of 143
4/4/06 at 11:11pm
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Originally Posted by fongalv
ok enough ranting...my question to you is this...if your ears are so good to hear such a big difference in SQ, you would probably be able to hear the difference between mp3 and lossless? if so, since you do not want to compromise any bit on SQ how many lossless tracks can you carry in your monolith? this is clearly a compromise on capacity...but if your listening to mp3s, I think ur kinda self contradictory then since that IS compromising on SQ...
Oh wow, good point. I keep taking lossless on DAPs for granted.

Well of course, the correct response is that the same file sounds better on the monolith than on the iPod or so he claims.
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post #71 of 143
4/6/06 at 12:14pm
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Originally Posted by Veniogenesis
Well of course, the correct response is that the same file sounds better on the monolith than on the iPod or so he claims.
Exactly...


Fongalv - Extremely biased??? I just said I didn't want a recommendation for Ipod. How is that extremely biased?

"think your "weird" because you have come to a place where the 5G ipod+lossless+lineout+amp+decent phones is widely accepted to be decent to good sounding rig--to ask for recommendations when :"

Ok, sometimes I will listen thru an amp, but not while walking around, which mean most of the times the player will be used. Also, how good sq can ipod have if you need to listen thru line out AND use an amp??? And I think the word portable should be used for things portable, and not for things that are somewhat portable... why not tie a generator round your waist so you can bring your main amp as well?

Jagorev: I thought I wrote that I did a few posts back actually...
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post #72 of 143
4/6/06 at 3:32pm
Hi,

My sister owns a 5g ipod mini and I love the design and how easy it is to use, I compared it to my small 128mb benq joybee 120 with sennheiser mx500's and the same music.

The ipod sounds a bit clearer, but everything else is much better on my cheap (40 euro on ebay) benq. The low end is not very loud but good, the mid range sounds nice and warm and the highs are smooth. On the ipod , I hear a lot of bas and highs (too bright).

I'm thinking of buying a monolith premium because of the limited capacity of my current DAP.

Ofcourse it's my taste, but I think I can hear what sounds good , my father is an Hi-Fi freak ( B&W 801, Wadia CDP, Audion 300B tube amp) and I recently bought a nice system too (after auditioning a very long time)


Sorry for my english ( I'm from Holland)

I love this forum, I bought my mx500's after reading about them here and I really love the sound , after buying a better DAP I might upgrade the headphone ( PX100 / KSC75 / SR60 )
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post #73 of 143
4/6/06 at 4:27pm
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by robert1325
Hi,

My sister owns a 5g ipod mini and I love the design and how easy it is to use, I compared it to my small 128mb benq joybee 120 with sennheiser mx500's and the same music.

The ipod sounds a bit clearer, but everything else is much better on my cheap (40 euro on ebay) benq. The low end is not very loud but good, the mid range sounds nice and warm and the highs are smooth. On the ipod , I hear a lot of bas and highs (too bright).

I'm thinking of buying a monolith premium because of the limited capacity of my current DAP.

Ofcourse it's my taste, but I think I can hear what sounds good , my father is an Hi-Fi freak ( B&W 801, Wadia CDP, Audion 300B tube amp) and I recently bought a nice system too (after auditioning a very long time)


Sorry for my english ( I'm from Holland)

I love this forum, I bought my mx500's after reading about them here and I really love the sound , after buying a better DAP I might upgrade the headphone ( PX100 / KSC75 / SR60 )
Did you decide to buy a Monolith because of what I said in here?
Anyway, you will certainly not be disappointed by the sq, thats a promise. Your father will probably also be impressed. The buttons on the thing feel cheap though, so don't expect to much there.

/e

P.S. You will probably need better buds than mx-500 to make justice to the premium. A lot better...d.s.
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post #74 of 143
4/6/06 at 5:22pm
I love my Karma. I don't think it gets much better than SR-60s and FLAC... certainly no Ipod I've ever listened to can compare. Maybe the apple lossless format has a chance, but I hate proprietary stuff like that. I'm not converting my whole collection to that shiat.
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post #75 of 143
4/6/06 at 5:41pm
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Originally Posted by SgtE
True that ipod 5g uses WM8758, which kind of underline my statement that monolith has way better sound quality, since it uses wolfson sigma delta, which is the wm8758's big brother

I think I am going for Meizu E3. A little bit of a compromise - is has good sound quality and is very small (which i like) and runs on AAA-batteries (now I can run my player on rechargeable AAA's and never ever do I have to worry about the battery getting bad and get a replacement), but it does not have line in and not very high output (18mw per channel at 16 ohm). It is very nice looking!

Every Wolfson codec of late uses delta-sigma conversion. Monolith plays the numbers game in a way intended to mislead. Clearly, going by SgtE's post it succeeds. I hear no superiority of the 'delta sigma' with the MX7000


I note when reading posts that reviewers who have no ear tend to develop a pavlovian response to figures. Even worse is when the claimed figures actually have nothing to do with what you're actually getting out of the headphone out. A common occurence for example is the DAC SNR being quoted instead of a much lower headphone amp SNR. What you hear in this case wouldn't be the quoted SNR. A reviewer worth a damn IMO uses figures to check the manufacturer's claims... AFTER listening.


If you're going to base your assessment on figures and 'facts', at least get those right. Makes you look less of a fool.
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