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post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 
Gradually, I have gained a LOT of interest in the Etymotic canal phones b/c of their sound and portablity. Vitually everyone seems to like them and although hearing is believing, I'm asking for some input.

From the specs, the Etys ER-4S supposedly only go upto 16 kHz before rolling off. Have any of you noticed any missing frequencies (above 16 kHz) that are supposed to be present and can be heard on other phones? I know that this may not be a problem for most music, like mp3s, but I love to use CDs and DVDs most of the time and can hear into the 22-23 kHz range.
post #2 of 21
I thought PCM WAV in CD-Audio form could only extend to 20 Khz max - how could u "enjoy" CDs at levels higher then what they have recorded? lol.....

on-topic: I think most people say the "roll-off" is really not that bad...and is more than made up for by the Etys stunning isolation, detail, and accuracy...dang, now I want some Etys
post #3 of 21
I've said it before, specs mean nothing. If you think Ety's are rolled off, than HD600's are even more rolled off wheter or not their specs look 10x better. And yes you can still easily hear high frequencies above 16khz with Ety's provided you can hear those frequencies.

The only reason Ety specs look lousy compared to most is because they actually grade themselves by tough standards and have the honesty to stick by their specs even though it is a turn off to people that don't know better.
post #4 of 21
They are certainly capable of reproducing the highest frequencies as far as my ears are concerned. I really wouldn't be bothered by the specifications of these remarkable headphones - everything sounds wonderful with them.

I also own the Sony 888's and other lesser headphones - the Etymotics represent excellent value for money - the sound quality of these units takes you to another plane of existance! (Well almost anyway!).

There is a learning curve with these headphones - experiment with inserting and removing them a few times if you get them. Once inserted, wait a few seconds and then pull at the top of your ears to equalise the pressure which can sometimes build up inside your ears. Once you hear that 'pop' you're ready to go. Also - don't feel that you have to push them in until they go through the other side - as long as you get a good seal they only need to be inserted a few mm's.

I personally own the ER4P's and have an adaptor cable to give them the same characteristics as the 4S version - only really worth doing if you have a headphone amplifier if you're using them with portable equipment though.

I also have to go on record as saying that in many ways the ER4P (for me anyway) is excellent as is - sounds really smooth, detailed, dynamic, deep and awesome!

Good luck! I hope this helps.
post #5 of 21
Thread Starter 
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specs mean nothing
You're correct. Somehow, I cannot incorporate that into my head though. Regrading the higher frequencies, are the Etys rolled off because the human ear can hear those high frequencies with less volume (I hope that makes sense)? Somewhere, I remember reading that the easiest pitch to detect (at a constant decible level) for most people is around 4 Khz and that the higher or lower you go, the less detectable it is. In other words, the human's ear has a U-shaped frequency curve.

Please correct if I'm wrong though...
post #6 of 21
Hmmmm ok you aren't getting it...first of all...you need to figure out what frequency response means in the first place. In otherwords what you should be thinking about is not two numbers, the highest and lowest...but the frequency response of EVERYTHING in between! This is basically a frequency response graph.

Ety's are only ever so slightly rolled off compared to being extremely flat. Now...no headphone does it extremely flat, especially none of the headphones that compete with Etys. Grado's, Beyers have MORE high frequency energy, and Senn's have less.

Specs only mean something if all these headphones were MEASURED the same way at the same labs! Since they aren't, than they don't mean anything! This is why the Olympics are held in one place at one time...instead of having everyone compare their "specs" according to how they performed in their local area...
post #7 of 21
Thread Starter 
Yeah, I understand the graph and frequency concept...but why would anyone want a "flat" response? The human ear isn't flat, right? And I promise I won't look at the specs again.
post #8 of 21
Hmmmm yes I would think Etymotic Research knows a little about human ear response. Of course it is in regards to how the human ear hears or it would sound nothing like it does.

Go to www.etymotic.com and click details under the ER4S and you will read everything on how they are equalized and how they measure. After staring blankly at those pages and seeing terms like Zwislocki coupler, you will at least be left with the premonition that Etymotic knows their $tuff.

All I know is they sound flat to my ears...which is good when you want to take in the music without having too much here, or too little there.
post #9 of 21
A "flat" response is to supposed to WELL MIMICK actual music....i think......peaks make the music less real....then again, Grado users commonly SWEAR Grados are as real as it guess....don't ask....
post #10 of 21
ideally, music is recorded with mic's with a flat response. if you then reproduse it with equipment with a flat response, you'll get the identical signal as the one that was recorded and therefor the most realistic sound. this very rarely happens tho.

more important IMO, is that a flat response goes with everything, while for instance the Grado peaks make some music really shine and totally screw other music. and when it comes to certain instruments (drums for instance), Grado is very realistic IMO, just stand a few feet away from a drum while someone is drumming and smashing the cymbals...
post #11 of 21
Thread Starter 
Well thank you to all who have replied

But another quick question....I have heard (through the forums) that the cable is a bit microphonic. Is there any cables/mods/DIY in existance that reduces this -- not asking for the 4P to 4S cable conversion. (I'm not sure if this is a problem anymore...I think that the ER4P has a different, more softer rubber cable...what about the 4S?)
post #12 of 21
Quote:
Go to www.etymotic.com and click details under the ER4S and you will read everything on how they are equalized and how they measure. After staring blankly at those pages and seeing terms like Zwislocki coupler, you will at least be left with the premonition that Etymotic knows their $tuff.

ROFL! Good one.
post #13 of 21
Thread Starter 
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and when it comes to certain instruments (drums for instance), Grado is very realistic IMO, just stand a few feet away from a drum while someone is drumming and smashing the cymbals...
I think that I would like the Grado sound. But if they didn't leak so much...
post #14 of 21
If you had heard perfectly flat response curve out to 20Khz, you would not like it. The Ety's would sound way too bright .

Almost all headphones have some roll-off after 3K - 4K.
Believe it or not, it sounds better.
post #15 of 21
Is THAT why the 4-Bs are so bright? because they were designed to be used with recordings in which ear pinnae have ALREADY worked their wonders?
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