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And, I would add that the movements/purpose/history also need someone who has the sensitivity/timing/energy to show you what's possible (and help you get there if that's where you want to go).  bigsmile_face.gif

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They teach the movements only, they don't teach the purpose or the history. It is like listening to a story without a plot... It is completely useless and wastes your time. 

Do forms have different meanings for different arts?  The Sil Lum Tao basic form in Wing Chun trains static body posture and leg strength. I suppose it is a toolkit of the most important Wing Chun movements. Every class I attended started and ended with the basic form performed by all.
 

 

post #78 of 87

Even though it doesn't look impressive or teach you striking or other skills, this is the training that will save your life more than any other:

 


Edited by drez - 12/13/11 at 9:07pm
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Do forms have different meanings for different arts?  The Sil Lum Tao basic form in Wing Chun trains static body posture and leg strength. I suppose it is a toolkit of the most important Wing Chun movements. Every class I attended started and ended with the basic form performed by all.
 

 



Yes, they do. In many styles of kung fu they teach stance, posture and balance (unfortunately I have only seen the form of 5 forms of kung fu, so I cannot speak for them as a whole). In Karate, TKD, HKD and Muay Thai (among others), they teach stances and choreographed moves. The one thing in common between all forms is that there is a history and meaning, and that needs to be taught along with the form itself. But the form in Wing Chun (as I have taken that as well) also teaches you the most effective ways to stabilize your body for the strikes that are used in Wing Chun, which I feel is just as pivotal to learning how to do techniques.

 

And drez, that video is very true. The best way to win a fight is to not fight it. I think many martial artists are taught that. It may sound strange, but the further you go, the less inclined you are to fight. I think that is an important aspect of the control and discipline of martial arts.

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And drez, that video is very true. The best way to win a fight is to not fight it. I think many martial artists are taught that. It may sound strange, but the further you go, the less inclined you are to fight. I think that is an important aspect of the control and discipline of martial arts.


I think that may be down to not having anything to prove to yourself or others, having increased confidence and a non-aggressive mental attitude.

 

Over and above this though Senshido teaches what to do if you are cornered and caught off guard eg. if you are out having a good time, mind is elsewhere etc.

 

I really like Wing Chun approach to martial art though - it really goes beyond other stand-up arts and cuts out a lot of the testosterone nonsense.

 

Only downside I have seen is not all schools focus on good physical conditioning which you can't escape in Muay Thai.


Edited by drez - 12/13/11 at 9:47pm
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And drez, that video is very true. The best way to win a fight is to not fight it.

Also consider that you cannot effectively defend yourself by half measures or incremental responses. Once you go, you must be rather vicious. You could seriously injure someone and the law might consider that "taking advantage of a situation to prove yourself".  Then there are possible revenge scenarios.  Where there is one a**hole, there probably is another lurking nearby. So best to remain calm and try not to escalate a tense situation.

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You know there are reasons the most effective martial arts techniques aren't taught, it's because people have died.

 

 

Police use ju-jutsu and judo, for the same reason they don't use their gun.

 

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This is quite interesting - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maQINqPI7S0

 

Muay thai practitioners actually microfracture their bones, and then the bones grow back stronger and stronger.

 

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Anyone heard of Harimau Pencak Silat?

 

 

Pretty badass stuff.

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You know there are reasons the most effective martial arts techniques aren't taught, it's because people have died.

 

 

Police use ju-jutsu and judo, for the same reason they don't use their gun.

 



Yup. My master that taught me the really effective techniques banned us from practicing them with each other. He said we were only allowed to practice them with him, shadow or training dummy (if possible), and if he caught us doing otherwise he would stop teaching us. Its dangerous stuff, but I think its good to know. Judo have no lethally effective moves. Judo = jujutsu that was made into sport. All the lethally effective moves are in jujutsu. My friend taught me two really effective (though not lethal) jujutsu moves. Crazy stuff.


 

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This is quite interesting - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maQINqPI7S0

 

Muay thai practitioners actually microfracture their bones, and then the bones grow back stronger and stronger.

 


Yup. I've done that training too, it also kills the nerves in the legs so they don't feel pain. Kicking those banana trees is actually really effective. I've done similar training, only when I did it, it was with a partner. We kicked each others shins until we couldn't stand anymore. Painful, but worth it. Especially if your art is a kicking art (like TKD, which was my first).

 


 

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Anyone heard of Harimau Pencak Silat?

 

 

Pretty badass stuff.


Indeed I have. Its an interesting art. I've never trained in it though... I think I heard of it through one of those martial arts shows on spike or something... Fight quest or what have you... OK shows for what they were.


Edited by kyuuketsuki - 12/19/11 at 4:06am
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I believe Judo and Jujutsu evolved when a punch or kick was useless in a fight, against a fully armoured opponent with various weapons, so the key to success was joint-locks, sweeps, throws, suffocation, etc.

 

 

On the topic of self-defense, I think girls should be allowed to buy tear-gas from the police, why not.

 

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I believe Judo and Jujutsu evolved when a punch or kick was useless in a fight, against a fully armoured opponent with various weapons, so the key to success was joint-locks, sweeps, throws, suffocation, etc.

 

 

On the topic of self-defense, I think girls should be allowed to buy tear-gas from the police, why not.

 



Thats where jujutsu evolved. Judo evolved from jujutsu for sport and competition.

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