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post #46 of 58
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Originally Posted by doublea71 View Post

He didn't write these words - google search busts another plagiarizer. 

frown.gif I thought he was all cool and original. Still I'm glad he posted it. Very interesting read. 

post #47 of 58

Not sure why people would like to talk about music they don't like, I prefer to discuss music I dig.

 

Never really got into the Beatles, should try harder some time maybe?  But I love me some solo John Lennon, Imagine and Plastic Ono Band are stone cold classic albums in my  book.

post #48 of 58

Some people derive great pleasure from putting others down.

post #49 of 58

I like to hear from both sides. Beatles haters and lovers. It was such an interesting time in music history. The Beatles accomplished something that I don't think any band can ever accomplish again. It was a mixture of things, Marketing, Talent, and just plain old being at the right place at the right time--ness.

 

I say this can't happen again because the music industry has changed so drastically. I feel like today's music listener is more free. The concept of paying for music is somewhat laughable to a majority of listeners. Since we don't have to pay for music we are free to choose what we want to listen to with little to no conciquence. Back then you spent Money on an album, if you ended up not liking the album you were stuck with it and out 10 bucks. Now I just hop on any number of sites and I can literally grab thousands of songs and only keep what I like. This makes it easier for underground artist to get more exposure and I think this model makes it possible for the cream to truly rise to the top. The only problem is over saturation. Also I think that people have gotten overall dumber and the popular music kind of highlights this phenomena. 

post #50 of 58

I am neither a Beatles hater or lover although, they have few songs that I like a lot. "Yellow Submarine and "Lucy in the Sky" comes to mind. However you touched on a couple of things that I want to respond to...the music industry has definitely changed but, I personally think it is because of technology. As a 40 something person, I can vividly remember spending my weekly allowance on cassette tapes on bands that I didn't know much if anything about and forcing myself to like a couple of songs on the tape. Then the video age and MTV came along. All of sudden everyday you could watch some cool looking band and go get the tape the next day. The next thing I knew the synthesizer and the electronic drum came along and no longer did you need a whole band...at least not in the studio. Then came midi and syncing drums and synthesizers with computers. This age of technology is both a blessing and a curse IMO...a blessing in that no longer does one HAVE to pay for music. I spend hours upon hours downloading music from sites....everything from classic rock and r&b albums to one-hit wonder and obscure artist who, for some reason didn't catch on. Technology is a curse in that a person doesn't have to be talented anymore to make music. Today DJs make more money than your favorite band. Speaking of bands, r&b bands have become extinct, skillful rappers of the past have been replaced by thoughtless nursery ryhme. My wife, who is 30, loves today's music which to me is unlistenable. I like the way the engineers recorded music back then better than today's engineering actually!!
 

post #51 of 58

Regardless of what vinyl purists say, the usb release sounds fantastic - don't knock it until you try it. I myself prefer vinyl, but gear is mighty expensive here in Vietnam (shops that sell turntables are high-end shops). I have to go with what is convenient and cost effective, but were I given a choice, I would absolutely prefer good 'ole vinyl, my sofa, and a cup of coffee.

 

The long article somebody posted earlier does make some valid points, but I can't help but suspect that the author is someone who would never condescend to enjoy a '3-minute ditty' because of its anti-intellectual implications - that's a task best assigned to us unthinking commoners I suppose.

 

The author also suggested that rock and roll should aspire to be high art or it is somehow invalid. That notion is the height of pretension. I have no qualms with anybody having that aspiration (I'm a huge Zappa fan and in his day, he probably forgot more about music than the rest of his peers knew combined. Actually, not true - I don't think he forgot anything music-related at all), but thumbing your nose at the tweed-clad gatekeepers of high art (like the author) strikes me as being a very rock and roll thing to do. Joey Ramone probably would have slapped the silk ascot right off the author if he read that piece. Ultimately, each musician or group decides what their own purpose is (for many, it was getting girls) and they don't need permission from a person who can only write about music (not many girls in that, I'm guessing).

 

The knock on the Beatles as not being technically proficient compared to their peers is valid, but does that mean we should all be listening to Yngwie Malmstein?

 

What they accomplished in 10 years speaks for itself - if you don't like them, that's fine with me. I can't wait for some miserable pseudo-intellectual to apply feminist theory to The Beatles catalog and blame them for the mistreatment of women. You just know there is somebody out there with nothing better to do (wouldn't surprise me if it's been done a hundred times or more given that they disbanded over 40 years ago...).

 

Elvis Costello famously said, "Writing about music is like dancing to architecture." Rant over, dance on.

post #52 of 58
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Originally Posted by doublea71 View Post

Regardless of what vinyl purists say, the usb release sounds fantastic - don't knock it until you try it. I myself prefer vinyl, but gear is mighty expensive here in Vietnam (shops that sell turntables are high-end shops). I have to go with what is convenient and cost effective, but were I given a choice, I would absolutely prefer good 'ole vinyl, my sofa, and a cup of coffee.

 

The long article somebody posted earlier does make some valid points, but I can't help but suspect that the author is someone who would never condescend to enjoy a '3-minute ditty' because of its anti-intellectual implications - that's a task best assigned to us unthinking commoners I suppose.

 

The author also suggested that rock and roll should aspire to be high art or it is somehow invalid. That notion is the height of pretension. I have no qualms with anybody having that aspiration (I'm a huge Zappa fan and in his day, he probably forgot more about music than the rest of his peers knew combined. Actually, not true - I don't think he forgot anything music-related at all), but thumbing your nose at the tweed-clad gatekeepers of high art (like the author) strikes me as being a very rock and roll thing to do. Joey Ramone probably would have slapped the silk ascot right off the author if he read that piece. Ultimately, each musician or group decides what their own purpose is (for many, it was getting girls) and they don't need permission from a person who can only write about music (not many girls in that, I'm guessing).

 

The knock on the Beatles as not being technically proficient compared to their peers is valid, but does that mean we should all be listening to Yngwie Malmstein?

 

What they accomplished in 10 years speaks for itself - if you don't like them, that's fine with me. I can't wait for some miserable pseudo-intellectual to apply feminist theory to The Beatles catalog and blame them for the mistreatment of women. You just know there is somebody out there with nothing better to do (wouldn't surprise me if it's been done a hundred times or more given that they disbanded over 40 years ago...).

 

Elvis Costello famously said, "Writing about music is like dancing to architecture." Rant over, dance on.

well said (I hope you didn't plagiarize as well) wink_face.gif

post #53 of 58
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Originally Posted by doublea71 View Post

What they accomplished in 10 years speaks for itself - if you don't like them, that's fine with me. I can't wait for some miserable pseudo-intellectual to apply feminist theory to The Beatles catalog and blame them for the mistreatment of women. You just know there is somebody out there with nothing better to do (wouldn't surprise me if it's been done a hundred times or more given that they disbanded over 40 years ago...).

It's so funny you said that. I was listening to "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" and it hit me how much of a stereo typical male chauvinist song that is. Still one of my absolute favorite songs but listen to the lyrics. 

 

I look at you all see the love there that's sleeping  <--- indicates that the subject is his lover (a women)

While my guitar gently weeps  <--- indicates his feelings of sadness
I look at the floor and I see it need sweeping  <--- indicates why he is sad..ie the floor is not swept. 
Still my guitar gently weeps  <---- still sad

I don't know why nobody told you 
how to unfold your love <--- This is strictly opinion but I think he means this woman was never taught how to be a proper house wife
I don't know how someone controlled you <--- women should be controlled. 

they bought and sold you <--- If you tie this into the previous line it would seem George is surprised that the woman's parents were able to pawn the woman off to a man given her inability to sweep. 

 

anyway you get the picture. 

 

So I forwarded that post to my buddy who I consider a Beatles expert and he said that it's mostly opinion. Most of the facts are not even accurate. 

post #54 of 58

We'll see what we want to see in lyrics. For example, "Chain Lightning" by Steely Dan:

 

Some turnout, a hundred grand

Get with it, we'll shake his hand

Don't bother to understand

Don't question the little man

Be part of the brotherhood

Yes, it's chain lightning

It feels so good


Hush brother, we cross the square

Act natural like you don't care

Turn slowly and comb your hair

Don't trouble the midnight air

We're standing just where he stood

It was chain lightning It feels so good

 

What is that song about? It's pretty vague and intentionally so. The music is real cool, end of a shift, take of your shoes and relax cool....What could it be about?
 

post #55 of 58

"Just a little story,

 

I used to LOVE the Beatles.

 

I thought that I was the only fan of them in my school and thought everyone else just wasnt as open to "old" music. I had a few of their albums, listened to them, sang them, they were the band I would use describe to people what my music taste was

 

I just lost my ipod when I was into them so, as lame as it was, every chance I had to go to the library was to listen to the beatles. Every time I would listen to a great song of there's I was blown away, Strawberry fields Forever, Across the Universe etc...

 

Later when I got an iPod, I added every beatles song In a heartbeat

 

That year I also got into many other bands thanks to piracy, eventually, a beatles song would show up and I was sick of them, I was begining to accept that the beatlees were not that great and was pop from the 60s. I didnt hate them until I completely stopped listening to them, ie erased them from my iPod. There's still a few songs I accept like Strawberry Fields Forever and Julia and listen to every often

 

But when the majority of their music is jumpy teen pop from the 60s  made to be radio hits, They aren't that great are they? The Pioneers of pop but their appeal only lasted for a while

 

I hear the Beatles have a great Psychodelic era though and that there early work is garbage though, I guess I listened to their "garbage"

post #56 of 58

For the longest time, I thought it was about letting things go and not letting life get you down, that sort of thing. And then I saw this:

 

 

This is from the book Reeling In The Years by Brian Sweet

post #57 of 58
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Originally Posted by MellonCollie View Post

"Just a little story,

 

I used to LOVE the Beatles.

 

I thought that I was the only fan of them in my school and thought everyone else just wasnt as open to "old" music. I had a few of their albums, listened to them, sang them, they were the band I would use describe to people what my music taste was

 

I just lost my ipod when I was into them so, as lame as it was, every chance I had to go to the library was to listen to the beatles. Every time I would listen to a great song of there's I was blown away, Strawberry fields Forever, Across the Universe etc...

 

Later when I got an iPod, I added every beatles song In a heartbeat

 

That year I also got into many other bands thanks to piracy, eventually, a beatles song would show up and I was sick of them, I was begining to accept that the beatlees were not that great and was pop from the 60s. I didnt hate them until I completely stopped listening to them, ie erased them from my iPod. There's still a few songs I accept like Strawberry Fields Forever and Julia and listen to every often

 

But when the majority of their music is jumpy teen pop from the 60s  made to be radio hits, They aren't that great are they? The Pioneers of pop but their appeal only lasted for a while

 

I hear the Beatles have a great Psychodelic era though and that there early work is garbage though, I guess I listened to their "garbage"


You can't go wrong if you listen to Rubber Soul and everything after that...

post #58 of 58
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Originally Posted by MellonCollie View Post

"Just a little story,

 

I used to LOVE the Beatles.

 

I thought that I was the only fan of them in my school and thought everyone else just wasnt as open to "old" music. I had a few of their albums, listened to them, sang them, they were the band I would use describe to people what my music taste was

 

I just lost my ipod when I was into them so, as lame as it was, every chance I had to go to the library was to listen to the beatles. Every time I would listen to a great song of there's I was blown away, Strawberry fields Forever, Across the Universe etc...

 

Later when I got an iPod, I added every beatles song In a heartbeat

 

That year I also got into many other bands thanks to piracy, eventually, a beatles song would show up and I was sick of them, I was begining to accept that the beatlees were not that great and was pop from the 60s. I didnt hate them until I completely stopped listening to them, ie erased them from my iPod. There's still a few songs I accept like Strawberry Fields Forever and Julia and listen to every often

 

But when the majority of their music is jumpy teen pop from the 60s  made to be radio hits, They aren't that great are they? The Pioneers of pop but their appeal only lasted for a while

 

I hear the Beatles have a great Psychodelic era though and that there early work is garbage though, I guess I listened to their "garbage"

I actually did something similar. I've erased all music from my phone and put every Beatles album I could find. None of the solo stuff. I am working on an ultimate Beatles's playlist. I'm working my way album to album.

 

******* means personal favorites

So far I've got as must listen Beatles list:

 

Album--->Help!

Help! ************

The night before

Ticket to Ride **********

I've seen that face **************

Yesterday

---------------------------------------

Album---->A hard day's night

And I love her

Hard day's night

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Album----->Abbey Road

Come Together  **********

Something

Oh darling  ***********

I want you (she's so Heavy)  ********

Because   

You never give me your money  *********

Golden sumbers

------------------------------------------

Album------->Beatles for sale

No Reply

--------------------------------------

Album---------> Let it be

I me mine *******(possibly my favorite beatle song)

Let it be  ********

get back *******

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Album---------->Magical Mystery tour

I am the walrus

Octopus's garden

Your mother should know

Hello Goodbye  *******

Strawberry fields forever  *********

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These are in no particular order, just how android decided to organize the albums. 


Edited by trunolimit - 3/12/13 at 6:41pm
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