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post #46 of 64
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Originally Posted by Silentpug387
I know this question is somewhat ambiguous, but how much do you guys think it would cost to get a speaker system that is comprable to lets say a $600 dollar or so headphone system (not including a source). Would you be able to get 5.1 speaker setup, with reciever that could provide the accuracy of a good $600 headphone system? Or, basically are good speakers and components much more expensive than good headphones and headphone componets?
my personal opinion is that tripath has bridged the gap. a charlize amp from diyparadise will cost you $150 or so all told to build. with your phone system perhaps you'd match a $300 basic m3 amp with a pair of senn hd650's. this way you could spend $450 on some nice speakers, like triangle titus 202's, or YOU CAN BUILD YOUR OWN, which you can't really do very easily with phones.

source is the same for both of course. if you mean source + amp + drivers , then you could get a zhaolu for $120 and you'd take off that much from your phones or speakers.

which would be better? no clue
post #47 of 64
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what speakers have going for them is that they have no constraints to fitting drivers on your head
post #48 of 64
I'll be doing a comparison soon using Dolby Headphone with HD1500 and DT880 and HD600 or 580 headphones vs my own live set up.

In my experience using headphones with dolby headphone technology was what helped me set-up my system. It provided me the sonic map to locate the clues how the speakers are set-up.

I'm totally amazed just how close they come.
post #49 of 64
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Originally Posted by Whitebread
Room correction? Room correction can take care of cancelation, constuructive interference, phase differences, group delay, reflected waves, standing waves, etc?

Room correction can correct both frequency response and time response issues for a given listening position. Coupled with advanced crossover control, the improvements are a blessing for any audiophile. The only reason I switched to TACT gear was because of the significant audible improvements. In multi-channel system using the TCS MKII, the differences are even more dramatic. They make a 2.2 system sound like a perfectly integrated pair of speakers and provide perfectly controlled lows unlike anything I've ever heard. In any case, I'm switching my Epiphany 12-12s for 20-21s. They will be used in an acoustically treated 18Wx37Lx16H room with quad TACT corner load subs.

My SDS-XLR has offically been off for over 2 months now. My preference is obviously speakers.

The 12-12s, the 20-21s and the Andra IIs:

post #50 of 64
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But to add into the mix a little... To those who claim speaker rigs have better imaging, inherrantly than headphone rigs. Have you heard any well-recorded binaural stuff? In my experience, that soundly eclipses in terms of imaging anything that any speakers I have heard can do.
Yes, binarual recordings WOULD be better than speaker imaging if the speakers were strapped to the sides of your head like headphones are!

With speakers, you can choose how far away the performers are, and how spread out they are. They project from the front, making it as if there's actually a musician playing in front of you!

When little miniature musicians start getting strapped to your head in subsitution of going to the symphony, then headphones will be representing a musical performance in even the most microscopic perception of reality. Until then, though, I'll listen to a device that actually tries to replicate the musical experience, instead of trying to trap the musicians in my foot-long head.
post #51 of 64
I voted for both because I listen to headphones so much and I really do like both in different situations but if forced to choose I would take speakers in a heartbeat.
post #52 of 64
I prefer speakers by the long shot so theres no question. Theres nothing like sound enveloping all over you.
post #53 of 64
There is just simply no substitute for a high end speaker rig.

My parents are getting a new stereo this summer. It will most likely consist of the Chord Blu/DAC64, Chord CPM3300, and a pair of Focal.JMLabs Diva Utopia Be. They beat ANY headphone system I have ever listened to. The dynamcis are just so much better. Soundstage can't possibly be more realistic and the bass is so much deeper. This is still only an mid-fi high-end stereo rig though! I like listening to large classical symphonies, and there is simply nothing that can replace a well set-up stereo rig...
I have also listened to various products by Meridian, Naim, Marten Design, Martin Logan, ProAc, B&W, dCS, Mark Levinson, Esoteric, Sonus Faber, Burmester, Classe, NAD, Cambridge Audio, Mimetism, Aerial Acoustics, Apogee, Chord, Magnepan, Avantgarde, B&O, Sony ES, etc and although they all have pretty different sound signatures and characteristics, there is something out of each and every one of them that is better than headphones. I'll have to admit that the price to performance ratio of headphones is much better. A $20k headphone rig can probably "beat" an equivalently priced speaker rig, although this is highly debatable.
post #54 of 64
Love speakers man.

I have never heard a reference headphone so to say, but I still love my speakers more. I just feel that no matter how loud your headphones can go, you cant get the dynamic tension that you get from a good speaker rig. With speakers, you can feel the music pulsing through all of you. With headphones you hear the power, but can only 'feel' it in your eardrums, if you understand what I mean. Also you have a sense of freedom of movement when its just for casual listening, for example when cooking or cleaning (I live alone so these are chores I have to do, so dont laugh:-)) or even taking a shower.

The argument of accuracy is also kind of moot as most, if not all, of the music you listen to is mastered on a speaker rig, with headphones used just for the detail work in the mixing process, but not the finalising.

Dont get me wrong, I love the headphones I have, but they are dust collectors, only being pulled out when I need to go out of the house, or want somebody to listen to something at work etc. And this happens only once or twice every other month.

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post #55 of 64
Are a good pair of speakers fantastic to listen to? Yes.

But I pick headphones. Why? A few factors.

(1) Cost. When it comes right down to it, the world runs on money. Putting one's self through college, Grad School, and such like that takes money. Later in life, house payments, raising families, and such take money. You can get some of the best headphone setups in existence below $1000 (not including a source). $1000 will buy you a medium-level receiver and two speakers. In terms of a cost-effective road to stunning sound quality, headphones have the edge.

(2) Noise. Unless you live alone in your own house, speakers tend to annoy people. Neighbors, other people in your house/apartment, police officers (although then you probably have then on a wee bit too loud), etc. You can't have them on nearly as often or as long before people get annoyed. Headphones allow you to easily keep your sound largely to yourself. Will they leak some (a lot in the case of phones like the K1000 or certain Grados)? Yes. But they won't be blasting and audible from miles away like speakers. Headphones keep other people happy, which indirectly makes my life a lot simpler.

(3) Space. This is one of the lesser points, but it's very valid: For a lot of people, space is at a premium. Many of us don't have entire rooms we can dedicate to speaker setups or properly configure for layouts. Headphones you can take anywhere.

I also happen to enjoy the intimacy of headphones, but that's a personal preference, so I won't include it on the list.
post #56 of 64
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Originally Posted by Arainach
Are a good pair of speakers fantastic to listen to? Yes.

But I pick headphones. Why? A few factors.

(1) Cost. When it comes right down to it, the world runs on money. Putting one's self through college, Grad School, and such like that takes money. Later in life, house payments, raising families, and such take money. You can get some of the best headphone setups in existence below $1000 (not including a source). $1000 will buy you a medium-level receiver and two speakers. In terms of a cost-effective road to stunning sound quality, headphones have the edge.

(2) Noise. Unless you live alone in your own house, speakers tend to annoy people. Neighbors, other people in your house/apartment, police officers (although then you probably have then on a wee bit too loud), etc. You can't have them on nearly as often or as long before people get annoyed. Headphones allow you to easily keep your sound largely to yourself. Will they leak some (a lot in the case of phones like the K1000 or certain Grados)? Yes. But they won't be blasting and audible from miles away like speakers. Headphones keep other people happy, which indirectly makes my life a lot simpler.

(3) Space. This is one of the lesser points, but it's very valid: For a lot of people, space is at a premium. Many of us don't have entire rooms we can dedicate to speaker setups or properly configure for layouts. Headphones you can take anywhere.

I also happen to enjoy the intimacy of headphones, but that's a personal preference, so I won't include it on the list.
I see where you are coming from, but if you were to have a load of cash burning a hole in your pocket and a detached house with too many rooms, would you still go for headphones? I understand that headphones are more pratical, but speakers are still better. Well set-up systems make your room sound exactly like concert hall/stadium! You will get the same intimacy of sound that you're accustomed to with headphones too. I know it's extremely difficult to achieve this, but it is possible and people have done it. It takes half a dozen hours to set up and all you get is one sweet spot. I'm sure Sleestack's system sounds (and looks) incredible! The only way 'round this problem is to settle for a compromise: get a headphone set-up and a stereo!
post #57 of 64
"Better" is an interesting term. Like it or not, everything in the world is a matter of comprimises. Will a Porsche corner and accelerate better than a Toyota Corolla? Of course. But for me, the Corolla would be a FAR better car - less expensive to run and insure, easier to take other people around in, and much more useful in my life.
post #58 of 64
Milkpowder--Arainach did say he was more a fan of headphone intimacy. Plus, he's given his preference--that's what the OP was looking for.

I've been lucky: I haven't heard high-end speaker systems, and my wallet thanks me mightily...
post #59 of 64
Speakers.They do everything better than headphones;not even a contest!
post #60 of 64
For the same sound quality, a Headphone rig will be more affordable than a Speaker rig.

There are always times when a Headphone rig can be listened to, while a Speaker rig can not.

But, from back in my teenage years when I made a couple sets of speakers, I still prefer the "feeling" of listening to a good set of speakers, over the very nice headphone systems I have put together to be able to listen at work, and at home, and on the plane, without bothering others.

That being said, I have been bitten by the speaker bug, and currently am building a pair of "Abby" clones for my study at home. My first kid is off to Tulane this fall, so anything expensive is off the consideration list.
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