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post #91 of 845
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Originally Posted by RogerWilco
It would not be a hard choice for me philodox. The Lavry is a very nice piece, but the Zhalou is much better priced with an awesome sound.
Have you heard both of them?
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Originally Posted by RogerWilco
Have you seen the profit level of dealers in the usa? You better believe no matter what they say they are going to make there $ buck.
Well, I think with the Lavry at least, that you are getting quite a bit of good engineering for the money. I personally think that the balanced digital volume control is a huge benifit and don't look at the DAC+Preamp design as wasted. The fact that it is all discrete amplification is a big bonus in my mind as well. I also don't understand how the DAC is really lacking from a design point of view. I see what Ori is getting at with the higher quality DAC in the Zhaolu [after the upgrade], but other than that I don't really see any corners that are being cut by the Lavry. And if it can drive Grado's nicely from the headphone out that is just a nice bonus.

Hmmm, I think I may have made my decision.
post #92 of 845
Not bashing the lavry, and I understand that there must be diminishing returns, but between a 300 and a 1000$ DAC, there has to be a clear difference, even if the lavry was not "burned in" , the fact that zhaolu could compare is surprising.
Let s hope those good products from china will bring some prices down.
I was going to get an aqvox but now I m wondering...
post #93 of 845
this is not the way to do business, man
post #94 of 845
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Originally Posted by RogerWilco
Decisions Decisions

It would not be a hard choice for me phildox.The Lavry is a very nice piece ,but the Zhalou is much better priced with an awesome sound.

As for the price discussions i see here ,everyone is always looking for the best deal(including myself).But ordering an item from across the world i want someone that i can trust and depend on.I may pay a little more for that,but it makes me feel more comfortable.

Have you seen the profit level of dealers in the usa?You better believe no matter what they say they are going to make there $ buck.

Computition is a good thing though.
i understand your sentiment, but there's no reason to trust lawrence more than eddie. lawrence buys his stuff FROM EDDIE WU. you're trying to rationalize the extra cost you payed; of course even at lawrence's prices it's a steal compared to other options on the market in the west, but that doesn't mean we who have yet to buy should avoid price-comparisons.

everyone seems to be desperately trying to rationalize their own purchases. please, tone that down a tad. folks get pissed when it's possible they could have gotten something better for less. i think we need to keep in mind three things:

1. all the choices we're dealing with may be lovely in there own right; this is ALL GOOD STUFF
2. it's all about your own ears, and prefferences
3. this is only ONE review; and they tested on speakers; if you don't use speakers much YMMV

personally, i cannot afford something more expensive than the zhaolu, so it's a lovely thing for me
post #95 of 845
question: is that iec converter really worth that much? can't i get something like that for cheaper in the states?

still curious about opa637; iron dreamer?
post #96 of 845
Ori, are you sure you weren't in Yellowstone National Park in July of '88?
post #97 of 845
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Originally Posted by edisonwu
this is not the way to do business, man


Did I miss something? Is Dan Lavry or the designer of the Zhaolu in this thread?
post #98 of 845
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post #99 of 845
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Originally Posted by philodox


Did I miss something? Is Dan Lavry or the designer of the Zhaolu in this thread?
He's talking about Lawrence putting a 100% markup on doing absolutely nothing.
post #100 of 845
Oh, ok... that makes sense. Though it is not much different with how things work over here when gear is sold in stores.
post #101 of 845
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Originally Posted by philodox
Oh, ok... that makes sense. Though it is not much different with how things work over here when gear is sold in stores.
Well.. usually, when say I buy a Lavry Black, I can't go direct to the manufacturer and request one for $500.

In my eyes it's like this.. let's say I'm in the US, and I buy Lavry Blacks from uhh.. Mercenary for $975. Then I resell them to people in Hong Kong for $2000. That's kinda.. iffy.

Regardless, screw all this and buy direct for $85. I'm pretty sure it's safe to say, at the $85 price point this is the best choice? Heh.
post #102 of 845
Even with me just buying mine last week and seeing this thread one day after i receive mine from lawrence i feel a little bad in what could of been if i would of waited a week but i still feel i will be getting a great deal on a great DAC so i choose to rest easy .

That don't mean i wont give eddie a email if i want to get another.
post #103 of 845
Someone earlier in the thread pointed out that it's premature to jump on the bandwagon after a single review, and I agree. I respect Ori's review and commentary, but it's a stretch to declare it this thing superior to a Lavry DA10 or Benchmark DAC1 based on a single review.

Another thing to consider when buying audiophile grade equipment is reputation, support, and resale value. Personally I'm comfortable dropping more on a Lavry DA10 or Benchmark DAC1 that I can easily resell when I get head-fi upgraditis in 6 months. Everyone knows what it is and what it's worth.

It's not as simple with some custom DIY-style piece of equipment from China. And what about support? If your equipment has a problem, are you going to ship it back-and-forth to China? Will Lawrence or Eddie even be around in 6 months?

BTW I'm not trying to bash the Zhaolu because it does appear to be a nice bang-for-the-buck unit. But I think there are many things to consider and also that you can't base quite so much on a single review.
post #104 of 845
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Originally Posted by uzziah
question: is that iec converter really worth that much? can't i get something like that for cheaper in the states?
I found this one for $5, and there's no mimimum order amount:

http://www.stayonline.com/detail.aspx?ID=6626
post #105 of 845
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Originally Posted by Gabe Logan
Even with me just buying mine last week and seeing this thread one day after i receive mine from lawrence i feel a little bad in what could of been if i would of waited a week but i still feel i will be getting a great deal on a great amp so i choose to rest easy .

That don't mean i wont give eddie a email if i want to get another.
I ordered last week too. I'm quite upset.

My DAC will only come with the OPA627. Had I known of Mr. Wu just a week ago, I'd be waiting for a fully modded DAC now.
Now I don't know if I'll be able to upgrade it by myself, it doesn't seem that easy and I've found no good instructions. And I can't really send it to Wu for upgrades because of the shipping costs and customs.

So what I'm try to say is that Mr. Lawrence really made my day.
I really hope no one else here will fall for this.
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