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post #76 of 845
This thread is crazy. I think what is happening here is Lawrence marks up his prices because he has overhead and an actual business to run. He's a brick and mortar business. It's like buying from your local audio dealer. Apparently Eddie doesn't have to account for things like this. You have to respect Lawrence for his pricing. We don't know all the facts but it would seem that Eddie's prices would reflect some sort of profit for himself, you would think. So Lawrence must have to mark up from there due to his business.

I got mine through a dealer in Shanghai, via a friend here in the US and his family in China. Again, I got the headphone upgrade and skipped the mods but I could not pass on the pricing. I paid $80 for the DAC 1.5 and the headphone upgrade was $25. That's $105 folks, plus about $20 for shipping. Hard to beat. The stock unit is excellent as well. Again my Ack! dAck hasn't been used much lately. Of course I wish I had the mods but the headphone amp upgrade is friggin awesome with my HF-1. I'll probably do some for of mods to mine one day. I think Jon L and Ori made some good points about sources and headphones versus speakers. I was once into 2-channel pretty big time and remember that hearing differences in sources was much easier but with headphones its much more subtle and harder to discern. It's easy to decipher between poor and top quality sources but once you hit a level of quality in a source, in a headphone system, it's hard to hear differences between units along the same basic level of quality. Hence why my stock Zhalou is standing right there with dAck at the moment in my headphone system. I think in a speaker system the power supply and clock upgrades will be more easily discernable than through a headphone system - at least in my experiences. I think your bang for the buck in a headphone system is going to be in changing the opamp and getting a good power cord on the unit. That's just my opinion. However, as Ori said, the OPA2604 seems to be a really good chip in it's own right and given the sound of my Zhaolu and DIYEDEN Great March (which uses 2604) I would have to agree. At least with Grado's I'm glad I went for the headphone amp upgrade as it's a killer combo. This week I should receive a DY2000, OPA627 and IEC adapter and will report my impressions.

I heard a little news about the new Zhaolu DAC 2.0. Apparently they are going to add a 110/220 switch to the AC inlet, which leads me to believe it will be an IEC style and (which is not completely clear to me at this point because my friend is translating Chinese) they are moving the power supply completely off the DAC board so that the DAC board can be upgraded more easily in the future. Not sure if that makes sense. The headphone amp upgrade will still be offered. Sounds like price might be about 25% higher.
post #77 of 845
Quote:
Originally Posted by elnero
Does anyone know if the DAC is available without any headphone amp whatsoever and if so if it's available in a different, plain case (preferably black)?
nope, not as of yet

if folks haven't heard: they are making a revision that may come out in a few months (version 1.5), it's hard to tell what will be changed, though.

also: as of right now, you simply can't get the headamp upgrade; they're out of stock both people.

edit: thanks for weighing in, sean; i'd certainly like to see the possibility of the amp sold seperately, but we'll see i suppose. i appreciate the 25% cost raise guess. however, i wouldn't put it past the zhaolu folk to realize how much we crazy americans/europeans are willing to pay, and start ebaying or something; the price difference they could garner when they read reviews like this is huge; and i seriously dobt they don't want to make money.
post #78 of 845
Quote:
Originally Posted by Comfy
So, is this correct?

Completely upgraded Zhaolu DAC (power supply unit upgrade, DY2000 opamp, clock upgrade):

Eddie Wu: 273,8 $

Lawrence: 428 $
Eddie Wu:
DAC $80.6US
Power supply $48.7US
Clock upgrade $48.7US
DY2000 (metal-can) $32.86US
Assemble Fee $25US

Total (w/o shipping) = $235.86US

Lawrence:
DAC $180US
Power supply upgrade $80US
Clock upgrade $70US
DY2000 (i presume ceramic) $30US
No assemble fee rite?

Total (w/o shipping) = $360
post #79 of 845
Quote:
Originally Posted by uzziah
eddiewuhk@netvigator.com

i'm going to grab one right away.
Ditto. I'll get all the upgrades (PS, clock, op-amp) probably. I think this thread has finally driven me into purchasing a Zhaolu Anyone know what forms of payment he accepts?
post #80 of 845
Quote:
Originally Posted by rogue
Ditto. I'll get all the upgrades (PS, clock, op-amp) probably. I think this thread has finally driven me into purchasing a Zhaolu Anyone know what forms of payment he accepts?
I know he accepts Paypal (I just paid mine with Paypal), other methods im not too sure
post #81 of 845
You guys are killing me...in a very nice way:-) I just sent an email to Eddie asking for the purchased (& express ship) price.
post #82 of 845
Quote:
Originally Posted by viconte
Eddie Wu:
DAC $80.6US
Power supply $48.7US
Clock upgrade $48.7US
DY2000 (metal-can) $32.86US
Assemble Fee $25US

Total (w/o shipping) = $235.86US

Lawrence:
DAC $180US
Power supply upgrade $80US
Clock upgrade $70US
DY2000 (i presume ceramic) $30US
No assemble fee rite?

Total (w/o shipping) = $360
Two corrections: Lawrence asks 40$ for a CERAMIC DY2000 and Wu asks 12,80 for the same ceramic DY2000.
So this would leave these figures (without shipping) at:
Lawrence: 370USD
Wu: 215,80USD
post #83 of 845
Just heard back from Eddie... no headphone amp upgrade available any more. It has been cancelled.

I think I am leaning back towards the Lavry since this review is a little suspect as the unit was not burned in. Also, the 'bad sound' that seems to be described when listening to the Lavry with the HD650 sounds strikingly similar to the HD650's sound signature. Translation: Maybe the Zhalou is compensating for the HD650's weaknesses? If that is the case it likely won't sound that great with my K340's or HF-1's as they are completley different.

Still, the price of the Zhaolu is very compelling. *sigh*
post #84 of 845
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post #85 of 845
But what is this beauty!?!?

http://www.zhaolu.com/products/D1/big8.htm

The casing looks much better than the Zhaolu with that useless volume knob.

I just wish I'd have some opportunity to audition DIYEDEN and Zhaolu. This is so hard... *sigh*
post #86 of 845
Quote:
Originally Posted by philodox
Just heard back from Eddie... no headphone amp upgrade available any more. It has been cancelled.

I think I am leaning back towards the Lavry since this review is a little suspect as the unit was not burned in. Also, the 'bad sound' that seems to be described when listening to the Lavry with the HD650 sounds strikingly similar to the HD650's sound signature. Translation: Maybe the Zhalou is compensating for the HD650's weaknesses? If that is the case it likely won't sound that great with my K340's or HF-1's as they are completley different.

Still, the price of the Zhaolu is very compelling. *sigh*
i am in the same boat, although i have hd650's.
to me its either this or lavry, i will be using a separate amp
post #87 of 845
I just got an e-mail back from Ed with these prices:

DAC-1.3 $80.6US
power supply $48.7US
clock with 1 ppm $48.7US
Assemble free $25US
DY2000 cermaic $12.8US and metal can $32US.
For shipping cost need to check tomorrow !
Thanks !
Wu.

I'm not too sure about the ceramic and metal can - do I buy both?
Also what about the power supply for UK, I think it might different from theirs, I'm not sure.
post #88 of 845
Quote:
Originally Posted by ċãţ
I'm not too sure about the ceramic and metal can - do I buy both?
Also what about the power supply for UK, I think it might different from theirs, I'm not sure.
I think uk has 230V AC like Finland. I have diyeden great-march from china (basically it reads 220V +-10% at back (200-240V)). Zhalou website lists it as ~220V/50Hz ± 10%.
post #89 of 845
So let me get this right, as a person with a HD650 and their own headphone amp, i should pay pal eddie Wu for the:
Dac
Power supply upgrade
clock upgrade
DY2000
Assembly
Shipping
??????
i feel kind of strange thinking all this after only one review has been made, like jumping off the boat a little too fast.
Edit:
http://www.zhaolu.com/products/D1/big8.htm
which one is this? it looks great.
This thread is turning me into a nervous wreck!
post #90 of 845
Quote:
Originally Posted by philodox
Just heard back from Eddie... no headphone amp upgrade available any more. It has been cancelled.

I think I am leaning back towards the Lavry since this review is a little suspect as the unit was not burned in. Also, the 'bad sound' that seems to be described when listening to the Lavry with the HD650 sounds strikingly similar to the HD650's sound signature. Translation: Maybe the Zhalou is compensating for the HD650's weaknesses? If that is the case it likely won't sound that great with my K340's or HF-1's as they are completley different.

Still, the price of the Zhaolu is very compelling. *sigh*
Decisions Decisions

It would not be a hard choice for me phildox.The Lavry is a very nice piece ,but the Zhalou is much better priced with an awesome sound.

As for the price discussions i see here ,everyone is always looking for the best deal(including myself).But ordering an item from across the world i want someone that i can trust and depend on.I may pay a little more for that,but it makes me feel more comfortable.

Have you seen the profit level of dealers in the usa?You better believe no matter what they say they are going to make there $ buck.

Computition is a good thing though.
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