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post #31 of 198
Some1, I'm surprised that you find the DAC1's headphone amp to be so good. Maybe its synergy with the K1000 is awesome. Anyway, I'm eager to try if you think that it's in some ways better or as good as the RVK. I've found the XLR from the DAC1 to be far superior to most under $1000 amps that I've heard when used with the HD650, but I think that this is a perfect synergy thing.

Nik, if more and more people continue to tout the K1000 as equivalent or better than the R10 in many areas, then you guys will eliminate any desire in me to try the Sonys
post #32 of 198
I think it is more of a testment to how good K1000s are The one area where I prefer DAC1 is in the cleaner highs. Most of the time, I don't notice this. I first noticed this while listening to the finale movement of Berlioz's Symphonie Fantastique, the bells sounded hazy with RKV. Granted, the RKV also reproduced the resonance of the bell more naturally than DAC1. Listening very carefully, its possible to pick up this haziness in other pieces too. I really hope changing the cheap stock opamp with an opa627 will cure this.

Also, the fact that I listen to mostly orchestral music does skew my view. K1000s are so naturally good with orchestral music. Don't have to worry about sibilance and harshness
post #33 of 198
Thread Starter 
The R10 is a very romantic-passionate cans, it is a MUST to try them one time in the life...

The K1000 is more accurate sound, but they need all the gear in the same class and synergetic components.

About the bass (Sovkiller), I have tested these twp cans with my CD test, and at the same volume tha K 1000 has more evidente 20 hz (even if AKG declare a 30 hz), than the R10. But the beautifulness of the bass of the K1000 I can only listen with music, all kind of music, electric bass is equal good as double bass, incredible. This cans do not have any preferences of music as the R10 has...

About amps: I do not think that the K1000 can sound at their best plugged in the headphones output, they need speakers outputs. (I'm adopting the 4 ohm output of the amp.).

Best!
Nicola
post #34 of 198
Thread Starter 
With the Leben CS-600 it is very easy to moove from the R10 to the K 1000, just a switch, the volume is the same (more or less), the K 1000 has the same full sound of the R10, but with more details and opennness, the bass is clearer and the airy is outstanding...

I never heard before that in the first track of the Mozart Requiem (Sony classical- Giulini) the pipe organ is audible. I have heard the organ in the others tracks but never in the first one... the K 1000 has showed.

Best!
Nicola
post #35 of 198
Nik

Remember, the best 6L6 is KT66. Did You try this? If not, just try. But only true KT66 by G.E.C. (very expensive) or its modern replica by Valve Art (not expensive).
http://www.tubetown.de/ttstore/produ...4245794abbb278
post #36 of 198
Wayne - When "drenched in sonic bliss", do you listen to speaker system simultaneously with the K1000, or solely to the K1000?


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Originally Posted by Wmcmanus
It's really not the price tag as such, but more of a compatibility issue. As you know, I'm not technically inclined, so I can't tell you precisely what the K1000's need to really shine, but I'm now hearing it for myself and they have moved up (in my estimation) for a nice, novel, but less than extraordinary headphone (maybe in my top 10 headphones, but maybe not) to being pretty much my #1 "go to" headphone rig when I really want to get completely drenched in sonic bliss and melt away in music. At least for the past couple of months, I've been reaching for the K1000/V20 setup more so than the HE90/HEV90 or Angstrom/R10. But maybe that's just me. We all have different preferences.
post #37 of 198
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeg
As I reported in a previous thread, Guru and I compared the performance of the K1000, when driven by my ASL amp, and by a T-amp. We could hardly hear any difference in peformance of this headphone when driven by these vastly differently priced amps. As I recall, the T-amp cost about $30, while the AQ-1005DT costs more than $1K. The K1000 sounded great when driven by either of these amps. Because of this lack of difference between using my >$1K and ultra-cheap amps, I concluded that much more expensive amps will obtain no further performance magic from the K1000. As for the claim that amazing improvements result when driving the K1000 with $5K-$10K amps, I retain my doubt regarding this claim, for now. Damn, I think that I'm really coming off as a rather humourless codger. Sorry.
The T-amp is good but its not near the performance level I have obtained with a different amplifier. If your ASL sounds equivalent to the T-amp, it may be worth trying something different!

I echo Nik's sentiments because I also previously owned a K1000 and never thought the performance I am getting now was possible from this can. I am a huge R10 fan and I think a properly amped K1000 brings it into the same league as this ultimate Sony headphone.
post #38 of 198
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Piotr Ryka
Nik

Remember, the best 6L6 is KT66. Did You try this? If not, just try. But only true KT66 by G.E.C. (very expensive) or its modern replica by Valve Art (not expensive).
http://www.tubetown.de/ttstore/produ...4245794abbb278
There is also the Mullard EL37... but between the 6L6GC the RCA Balck Plate are the best. The KT66 and EL37 are tall tubes and I cannot cover the amp...
Even the RCA I bought are so expensive (quartet matched very rare to find one...).

Best!
Nicola
post #39 of 198
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeg
Wayne - When "drenched in sonic bliss", do you listen to speaker system simultaneously with the K1000, or solely to the K1000?
At the moment, just the K1000/V20. At one time, I used the K1000/RKV in conjunction with my speaker system, but I've not yet tried that with the new amp.
post #40 of 198
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nik
There is also the Mullard EL37... but between the 6L6GC the RCA Balck Plate are the best. The KT66 and EL37 are tall tubes and I cannot cover the amp...
Even the RCA I bought are so expensive (quartet matched very rare to find one...).

Best!
Nicola
It is pity, that KT66 are too big. Try one more thing - IC Fadel Reference One. It is silver and silver is that thing which tubes like more than everything else.
post #41 of 198
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Piotr Ryka
It is pity, that KT66 are too big. Try one more thing - IC Fadel Reference One. It is silver and silver is that thing which tubes like more than everything else.
I have tried a mot of interconnect, even Kimber (silver) and Shinpy (liquid conductors). The Shunyata Antares I have now give the best result in my setup. These cables (even the power cords) work very good with the Shunyata Hydra-8 passive filter I'm using.

Best!
Nicola
post #42 of 198
Thread Starter 
Probably the differents I can hear between the two outputs (headphones and speakers) depend by the cable... just to say how mutch the K 1000 is sensitive.

The Black Dragon jack terminated remember me the sound of the same cable I owned for the Qualia 010, (this cable cut the highest just a bit...).

Best!
Nicola
post #43 of 198

Bass is adjustable

The bass on the K1K is the cleanest bass I've heard from headphones. I think some people think bass should be a big glob of low end flooding the sound but that's usually coloration or overemphasis. The K1K goes all the way down as far down as humans can hear(20Hz). But it is tight and not exaggerated.

Some that feel the highs are emphasized may want to experiment with the angle they listen at. You can completely change the tonal balance one way or another to get the best balance. And for the $3000+ that you saved by not buying the R10 – you can get yourself a 50” plasma tv to watch.
post #44 of 198
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nik
The R10 is a very romantic-passionate cans, it is a MUST to try them one time in the life...

The K1000 is more accurate sound, but they need all the gear in the same class and synergetic components.
I agree with the above 100%.
post #45 of 198
lol

I love your posts Nik, first the ps-1 were the best, then the omeg's,then the perfect can one time was the q10,then the l3000,then this,and that...

lol you are even better with the amps you use to...lol
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