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post #181 of 198
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Originally Posted by Andrea
Wmcmanus put it wisely, it's all depending on the listener and his various habits. For instance, by the same reasoning as Nik's, my HD650 could very well edge all the cans he's ever had.
I don't disagree at all. My comments merely point out the seriously flawed argument that just because something is newer, it must be better

Using car analogies to compare to headphones shows serious lack of knowledge about technology. Car manufacturers spend in excess of billions every year in Formula 1, WRC, etc., and much of that technology filters down into consumer cars, so of course a new car produced in 2006 is likely to be superior to a more expensive car made in 1989. How much money do headphone makers spend in producing new gear?

I never took Nik's comments as anything more than his opinions and didn't criticize him. Notice my smilie after response to his?
post #182 of 198
OMG!!!!!!.....Who wrote this insanity for sure never had heard the Orpheus, to compare the Orpheus with the 225, or any other Grado is simply an illusion...Let alone those insane $25.00 cans.

I just heard it once and their sound is simply fascinating, a unique experience, period....., holy cow this is one of the most insane articles ever written, not even if you are deaf could not feel the difference between those and hte Orpheus.....
post #183 of 198
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Originally Posted by applebook
I don't disagree at all. My comments merely point out the seriously flawed argument that just because something is newer, it must be better

Using car analogies to compare to headphones shows serious lack of knowledge about technology.
Either you are putting words into my mouth or your kind of logical thinking , insulting and using the "rolleyes" smilie doesn't match well with my mind set.
You can always have the last senseless word, but from now on I won't have to read it anymore.
post #184 of 198
Hey guys, why not being civilized, this is a hobby, not a life death topic, why no enjoying it instead, eh???
post #185 of 198
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Originally Posted by Sovkiller
Hey guys, why not being civilized, this is a hobby, not a life death topic, why no enjoying it instead, eh???
I enjoy it, and I enjoy it even better with the first member ever on my ignore list.
I've accidently read lots of his posts in several threads, and it's always the same, they do contribute nothing as far as I'm concerned and are often offensive (until now the offenses weren't aimed at me).
I think ignoring is the best in this case and way more civilized than fighting.
post #186 of 198
Sorry, but pointing out logical inconsistencies in your way of reasoning is not "offensive." Unlike Nik, I don't declare that I "don't like" someone who disagrees with me.

This is completely irrelevant, but I can't allow this guy to revile me and not answer his charges:

Here is another thread in which cosmo exerts his logical prowess:

http://www5.head-fi.org/forums/showp...5&postcount=96

"I always thought law schools are teaching logical thinking and reasoning, but they obviously aren't successfull in any case.
It's not worth my time to destroy your childish argumentation, so my answer is
pfhhhhhh."

I knew I remebered that name "cosmo" from somewhere before. It certainly made an impression on me.
post #187 of 198
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Originally Posted by cosmopragma
I enjoy it, and I enjoy it even better with the first member ever on my ignore list.
I've accidently read lots of his posts in several threads, and it's always the same, they do contribute nothing as far as I'm concerned and are often offensive (until now the offenses weren't aimed at me).
I think ignoring is the best in this case and way more civilized than fighting.
No need of using ignore lists, nor fighting, if i were you, I would simply ignore the first unpolite post and period....
post #188 of 198
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Originally Posted by robm321
What was your impressions of the K1000? (esp. compared to the 701)

Thanks,
Rob
Unespected impressions. More bass (I didn't expect this bass, very very good amount and clarity), maybe warmer, (with the Leben! I don't know with other amps), more armonically "full". Only a bit "hard" in the higher peaks, but they were not burned-in and not with the proper tubes in the Leben. I liked the K1000 very much, although imho they are not "headphones" . But I've listened to them only one day, and I think there is a reason if Nik have preferred the K701 at the end. And this is probably because the K701 is more "universal".

bye
Andrew
post #189 of 198
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Originally Posted by amartignano
I liked the K1000 very much, although imho they are not "headphones" .
Nice to hear that somebody agrees with me on that one .
post #190 of 198
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Originally Posted by applebook
I don't disagree at all. My comments merely point out the seriously flawed argument that just because something is newer, it must be better

Using car analogies to compare to headphones shows serious lack of knowledge about technology. Car manufacturers spend in excess of billions every year in Formula 1, WRC, etc., and much of that technology filters down into consumer cars, so of course a new car produced in 2006 is likely to be superior to a more expensive car made in 1989. How much money do headphone makers spend in producing new gear?

I never took Nik's comments as anything more than his opinions and didn't criticize him. Notice my smilie after response to his?
Well, then I agree with you.

Making headphones is a kind of art at least as much as it is a matter of technology. That's the basic reason, IMO.

Sorry if I possibly misunderstood -- it's just that I hadn't read this thread prior to that Nik's post immediately above mine.


Oh and yep, headphone-car analogies are gross and nasty.
post #191 of 198
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Originally Posted by amartignano
Unespected impressions. More bass (I didn't expect this bass, very very good amount and clarity), maybe warmer, (with the Leben! I don't know with other amps), more armonically "full". Only a bit "hard" in the higher peaks, but they were not burned-in and not with the proper tubes in the Leben. I liked the K1000 very much, although imho they are not "headphones" . But I've listened to them only one day, and I think there is a reason if Nik have preferred the K701 at the end. And this is probably because the K701 is more "universal".

bye
Andrew
Thanks for the impressions andrew! I'm also hearing that they sound like the Senn's - analytical and not the fastest slam factor. Those are two things the K1K's excel at. Is that what you've noticed? Also, how is the soundstage compared to the K1K "earspeakers" ?
post #192 of 198
Sorry, Andrea, only the first line of my response was directed at you. I agree with you. The rest of that reponse should've been separate because my eye-rolling was aimed at someone else
post #193 of 198
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Originally Posted by cosmopragma
I've only owned one rig partly similar to one of his former favorites, an Omega II driven by a Rudistor Egmont amp, and in fact it was one of the best rigs I ever listened to.
And most probably the "hottest".

Cheers
post #194 of 198
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Originally Posted by amartignano
I liked the K1000 very much, although imho they are not "headphones"
I think Stax's term, "earspeakers," applies very, very well to AKG's K1000.
post #195 of 198
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Originally Posted by Nik
I think to sell my K1000 during these days, and this was te second pair I had. I prefer the 701 to them even if the K1000 is a very uncommon cans and even if the 701 costs half of the price. My amp can drive both very well, so the problem was not the driver. I find the 701 more equilibrated in all the range of frequences and a fuller sound in the med and bass region.

Nicola
Dear Nicola,
I must say that I felt the same way about my K1000s. They sat in my closet for five years or so, and I was about to sell them. Then I read a review of the FirstWatt F1 current source amplifier written by Srajan Ebaen of 6moons.com:

http://6moons.com/audioreviews/first...irstwatt3.html

So, instead of selling my K1000s, I had them recabled with the Stefan AudioArt Equinox hardwire cable upgrade, and I purchased a FirstWatt F1. The result was so good, that I sold my Stax Omega II + KGSS combination.

The point of this posting is that for every model of headphones, the selected amplifier, preamp, souce and cabling make a remarkable difference. IMHO it is impossible to compare one headphone to another without including the other elements of the system as well, including tweaks like power conditioning and balanced XLR.

So the K1000s went from collecting dust to becoming my reference system, just by adding proper cabling and amplification. I am a happy camper.

BTW, I also own AKG K701s, and I have found that the K1000 + FirstWatt F1 combination out-performs them in just about every way. So perhaps I need to pair them with a Leben CS-600 to hear their true potential?
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