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post #151 of 198
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Originally Posted by Trogdor
I truely believe the 701 is the new FOTM and comparing it to the R10 is a testiment to that fact. Btw, its a fine headphone, its just not in the echelon of the R10, that's my main point.
This are exactly my feelings, regarding the R-10/K701 comparison, I felt that to compare those two is a little on the romantic side (to call it the least)...BTW the HD650 IME has a lot more bass....but again I will try to reauditon a fully burned in pair with a better amplification...but I feel it won't even touch the R-10 case...

I have heard a lot of cans and setups, including the monstrous Orpheus, and the experience that I received every-time I heard the R-10 in very different setups each time was simply magic, it seduces you to a very intimate experience, just between you and the music, almost sexual...so don't be around me while listening the R-10 OK?...
post #152 of 198
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Originally Posted by Trogdor
From what I've heard so far, there is very little impact in the bass department (the HD650 has more).
I'm not saying you're wrong -- because you hear what you hear. But to my ears that's not true: The K 701 seems to have even higher bass impact than the HD 650, although less midbass. After all it has the more prominent low bass, which makes e.g. bass drums sound more energetic and controlled.


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I truely believe the 701 is the new FOTM and comparing it to the R10 is a testiment to that fact.
I can't speak for the R10, but the K 701 sounds like a very competent headphone to me: very little flaws and high resolution -- exactly those features that have made the HD 650 my reference since its launch. The K 701 will definitely remain my favorite -- also in April and May.
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post #153 of 198
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Originally Posted by JaZZ
I'm not saying you're wrong -- because you hear what you hear. But to my ears that's not true: The K 701 seems to have even higher bass impact than the HD 650, although less midbass. After all it has the more prominent low bass, which makes e.g. bass drums sound more energetic and controlled.
Wow, I really wish I could hear YOUR exact pair because I just don't get that. Btw the 701 has no where NEAR the bass of the Qualia or L3K (both of which have more bass than the R10 IMO).

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Originally Posted by JaZZ
I can't speak for the R10, but the K 701 sounds like a very competent headphone to me: very little flaws and high resolution -- exactly those features that have made the HD 650 my reference since its launch. The K 701 will definitely remain my favorite -- also in April and May.
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Competent yes, in the same class as the R10, Qualia, HE90, I would strongly disagree.
post #154 of 198
I agree with JaZZ that in the deepest bass the K701 tends to be more present than HD650, as opposite in the mid-bass.

For other thing, I know people that ended to prefer the K701 for the particular sinergy with his amp against R10... (I would have never made it, anyway... )

Andrew
post #155 of 198
Thread Starter 
The R10 sounds FANTASTIC with some CD, no any other cans I have/had is in the same class.

The K 1000 sounds FANTASTIC with some other CDs, no R10 or any others cans I have/had do the same.

The K 701 sounds very, very good with ALL THE CDs I have listened with them.

I have used two diffrts words: fanatastic and very good, fantastic I think is something very particular tha comes from a "interpretation" of the sound, the R10 do this (IMO) and the K 1000 the same. Even the HD 650 add a bit of color to the sound... The 701 do not add nothing (or near).

Between the 4 cans the most neutral is the 701, may be this is the reason for a more equilibrated sound for any CDs I have. And more, the K 701 is the best match with my amp tha adds a bit of color to the sound, a color fo the fantastic GEC KT66 tubes! I do not keep cans just for collection, I listen music every day, for many hours. There are some guys here that love the R10more than me, so I think better to sell them to one of them.

About bass I find the HD650 with more medbass (more=quantiti), but I prefer the K 701's bass, more controlled and more neutral as I said. But each of these cans with the best amp matched, can give a fantastic sound.

Just my tow cents...

Best!
Nicola
post #156 of 198
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Between the 4 cans the most neutral is the 701, may be this is the reason for a more equilibrated sound for any CDs I have.
Well not to argue with you guys, but we are going again to the same old uncertain point, I have expressed the same many times, there is absolutely no way of knowing which system is adding or subtracting to the music anything, as there is absolutely no way to determine how a recording was made and how it sounds like, in the first instance. To have heard the same thing 100 times does not indicate that you have heard it right the 100 times before....a recording is not like a life-like event, in which you listen to the music directly. One thing is how a given instrument or a piece of musics is supposed to sound and another thing is how it was indeed recorded due to physical and technological limitation of the media, and of the human behind it...

The recordings are done with people behind it, and with a lot of different tastes and personal preferences, some of them, not even with a mediocre hearing, that add or subtract from the music they record as they wish, if you are not the musician, not the engineer behind the music, it is absolutely no way you can tell me this should sound like this...there is no way to go right...

Honestly this is a point that has been going in circles around my head since the beginning, and that I express every time someone tell that this or that system is "more neutral" or this or that system color the music.....End of story short, I suggest you guys and I'm doing the same, just choose the can and system you enjoy the best, and forget about if it is reproducing the music right or wrong, or it is or not "the more neutral" as you will never know for sure, what is in the CD recorded or how it sounds like...sorry guys, you are chasing a ghost....

For example I have a CD from Elmer Ferrer, the Fango Dance, if you listen it, the bass is overpowered, it was recorded like that, I know Elmer and he confirmed me that the engineer did that on purpose as he wish and like the music like that, but that doesn't mean that in front of you Elmer will sound like that, of course not, same happen to many many musicians....
post #157 of 198
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Originally Posted by Nik
The K 701 sounds very, very good with ALL THE CDs I have listened with them
That's to be expected of a semi-mass-produced product
post #158 of 198

Words to live by

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Originally Posted by Sovkiller
Well not to argue with you guys, but we are going again to the same old uncertain point, I have expressed the same many times, there is absolutely no way of knowing which system is adding or subtracting to the music anything, as there is absolutely no way to determine how a recording was made and how it sounds like, in the first instance. To have heard the same thing 100 times does not indicate that you have heard it right the 100 times before...
Awesome post! Extremely well put, and I completely agree (with the whole post, not just the section I quoted).

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Originally Posted by Sovkiller
Please do yourself a favor, stop listening your gear, and begin to enjoy the music instead...!!!
True dat!
post #159 of 198
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by applebook
That's to be expected of a semi-mass-produced product
Semi-mass-produced as all the other cans exept 2 or 3 cans....
Semi or mass-produced do not tells nothing about qualiti, IMO.

Best!
Nicola
post #160 of 198
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sovkiller
Well not to argue with you guys, but we are going again to the same old uncertain point, I have expressed the same many times, there is absolutely no way of knowing which system is adding or subtracting to the music anything, as there is absolutely no way to determine how a recording was made and how it sounds like, in the first instance. To have heard the same thing 100 times does not indicate that you have heard it right the 100 times before....a recording is not like a life-like event, in which you listen to the music directly. One thing is how a given instrument or a piece of musics is supposed to sound and another thing is how it was indeed recorded due to physical and technological limitation of the media, and of the human behind it...

The recordings are done with people behind it, and with a lot of different tastes and personal preferences, some of them, not even with a mediocre hearing, that add or subtract from the music they record as they wish, if you are not the musician, not the engineer behind the music, it is absolutely no way you can tell me this should sound like this...there is no way to go right...

Honestly this is a point that has been going in circles around my head since the beginning, and that I express every time someone tell that this or that system is "more neutral" or this or that system color the music.....End of story short, I suggest you guys and I'm doing the same, just choose the can and system you enjoy the best, and forget about if it is reproducing the music right or wrong, or it is or not "the more neutral" as you will never know for sure, what is in the CD recorded or how it sounds like...sorry guys, you are chasing a ghost....

For example I have a CD from Elmer Ferrer, the Fango Dance, if you listen it, the bass is overpowered, it was recorded like that, I know Elmer and he confirmed me that the engineer did that on purpose as he wish and like the music like that, but that doesn't mean that in front of you Elmer will sound like that, of course not, same happen to many many musicians....
I'm musician (classical guitar) and I have some very well recorded CD were my brother (professional musician too, he plays with Al di Meola...), in these CD he plays with my concert guitar... these are my absolute CD test. This concert guitar is hand made and built for me and for my hands and my tastes (!).

Best!
Nicola
post #161 of 198
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Originally Posted by Nik
Semi-mass-produced as all the other cans exept 2 or 3 cans....
Semi or mass-produced do not tells nothing about qualiti, IMO.

Best!
Nicola
I think that what an item sells for usually indicates how much it costs to produce, though this doesn't always relate to performance. The only under $500 can that I'm remotely interested in right now is the 701, but I don't know which local dealers have these.
post #162 of 198
Thread Starter 
Still speaking of the R10... probably my "problem" is with all the closed cans, at the fisrt impression (see L3000), I have a big enthusiasm, than when I find certain recordings, my love goes down... a sense of claustrophobi enter in my mind... generally the closed (and wooden) are more colored can respetc to the open ones...

I 'm not telling that the R10's is not FANTASTIC, as I said...

About neutraliti, think to the Qualia 010, I think the most neutral can ever... and they sound very different by any R10...

Best!
Nicola
post #163 of 198
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Originally Posted by Nik
I 'm not telling that the R10's is not FANTASTIC, as I said...


Quote:
Originally Posted by Nik
About neutraliti, think to the Qualia 010, I think the most neutral can ever...
Best!
Nicola
post #164 of 198
I second Andrea's
post #165 of 198
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by applebook
I second Andrea's

Have you owned a Qualia? (not only heard one time...), did you read what people have wrote in this forum about them?

Best!
Nicola
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