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post #136 of 198
Nik, please PM me the conclusions in details...please, I would like to know man.....but IIRC according to your last PM, things have changed a lot eh???

I heard the 701 briefly, and honestly I would like to give it a second try with a fully burned in one, but IMHO it is nowhere around the two other titans here discussed, I feel it not even in the same class as HD580/600/650, hi models of Grado, Beyers, Sonys...etc...but I have not heard the Leben, and maybe in that insane amp with a fully burned-in 701, things are completely different....I will wait for a second try to form a definite conclusion on the 701, but the potential I was looking and expecting there, was completely absent that day...
post #137 of 198
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Originally Posted by Sovkiller
I heard the 701 briefly, and honestly I would like to give it a second try with a fully burned in one, but IMHO it is nowhere around the two other titans here discussed, I feel it not even in the same class as HD580/600/650, hi models of Grado, Beyers, Sonys...etc...but I have not heard the Leben, and maybe in that insane amp with a fully burned-in 701, things are completely different....I will wait for a second try to form a definite conclusion on the 701, but the potential I was looking and expecting there, was completely absent that day...
Hi Sov,

I have now the K701 and, although I think that (amped by the NX01) it's not in the same class of my Sennheiser HE60/HEV70, I think it's at least on the same quality of the HD650 (if not superior).

Andrew
post #138 of 198
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Originally Posted by amartignano
Hi Sov,

I have now the K701 and, although I think that (amped by the NX01) it's not in the same class of my Sennheiser HE60/HEV70, I think it's at least on the same quality of the HD650 (if not superior).

Andrew
Andrew the one I heard was about 50 hours new, and it is not fair to form a conclusion on its sound using a non burned in one, like that but honestly I was expecting another animal, it did not impressed me at all, for example the PS-1, HP1000, SA5000, DT880, etc...even while not my cup of tea neither, they offer a more pleasant presentation for my personal taste, and I can live with them if I have to (except the Grados because of the comfort) but I felt the 701 with the same soft AKG house sound, and with a huge sound leakage...which I do not like at all...but at least they look terrific, with that luxury white color, eh? I would like to try them again in better conditions and a better setup, I do not even remember exactly the amp it was hooked in (IIRC was an ASL tubes one....but not sure)
post #139 of 198
Strange you had this "bad impact" with the K701. I can't tell you about the burn-in, because I bought mine used from a friend, so already fully burned-in.
Anyway, they are for sure an AKG. And from what you've written, you don't love AKG typical presentation. This is present also in the K701, but (finally!) the K701 is a "complete" headphone. So it can be a "taste" problem (nothing wrong, of course).

Anyway, if you can, give it another chance, burned-in and with proper amp...

bye
Andrew

PS. I can't hear that "huge leakage", what do you mean with it?
post #140 of 198
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Originally Posted by robm321
Ok, even if you can't have speakers - $4K is over priced. I was making the comparison to point out that $4K goes a long way elsewhere. I would expect headphones to dominate anything on the market, and the R10's don't
Just like any headphones, the R10s are not sold at full MSRP. Last I heard, the treet price was around $1600. And why doesn't anybody ever talk about studio monitors?
post #141 of 198
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Originally Posted by Bob Mahoy
Just like any headphones, the R10s are not sold at full MSRP. Last I heard, the treet price was around $1600. And why doesn't anybody ever talk about studio monitors?
If you find any in very good to mint condition just let me know I will get it......
post #142 of 198
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Originally Posted by Bob Mahoy
Just like any headphones, the R10s are not sold at full MSRP. Last I heard, the treet price was around $1600. And why doesn't anybody ever talk about studio monitors?
Actually that's totally wrong.

And I don't quite understand what the big deal is, there is no king of headphones, just a lot of very good ones!

Nik, what other cans have you tried with your leben?
post #143 of 198
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Originally Posted by Bob Mahoy
Just like any headphones, the R10s are not sold at full MSRP. Last I heard, the treet price was around $1600. And why doesn't anybody ever talk about studio monitors?
You are correct they are not sold at full MSRP. They are usually sold for more..
post #144 of 198
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Originally Posted by hungrych
Actually that's totally wrong.

And I don't quite understand what the big deal is, there is no king of headphones, just a lot of very good ones!

Nik, what other cans have you tried with your leben?
R10
K1000
HD650
K701
L3000
Qualia
DT880
DT990
Ultrasone 7edition
RS1

The perfect match (IMO) is the K 701 !

Best!
Nicola
post #145 of 198
Doh! I guess I better return mine

I haven't even really listened to them yet, as they are just burning in.
post #146 of 198
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Originally Posted by amartignano
Strange you had this "bad impact" with the K701. I can't
Actually IMO, they have no impact and that's the problem. They have a nice level of detail, a very smooth midrange which makes them R10-ish, but they have a very lacking low-end. I'm going to give them one more try but to me, they just didn't have the bass impact other cans provide (granted the AKG K1000 isn't exactly bass happy which happens to be its biggest weakness, followed by being extremely sensitive to amplification). Another note, is there style of presentation (more laid back) is not my cup of tea but I do respect many enjoy it (especially you HD650 lovers).
post #147 of 198
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Originally Posted by Ferbose
cosmopragma,

I looked up your CEC amp3300, a very attractive product indeed.
It seems like a balanced design. I guess that is why it can produce 60W of class A power without running too hot. Since it has push-pull transistors, voltage swing is doubled and power quadrupled.
I see a very peculiar volume control, so is it essentially an integrated amplifier?
Exactly, and the volume control doesn't attenuate the input signal but it controls the gain, and this concept works very well.
post #148 of 198
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Originally Posted by Bob Mahoy
Last I heard, the treet price was around $1600.
Yea, $1600 would be a real treat, but you would be hard pressed to find a "junker" pair for that price!
post #149 of 198
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Originally Posted by Trogdor
Actually IMO, they have no impact and that's the problem. They have a nice level of detail, a very smooth midrange which makes them R10-ish, but they have a very lacking low-end. I'm going to give them one more try but to me, they just didn't have the bass impact other cans provide (granted the AKG K1000 isn't exactly bass happy which happens to be its biggest weakness, followed by being extremely sensitive to amplification). Another note, is there style of presentation (more laid back) is not my cup of tea but I do respect many enjoy it (especially you HD650 lovers).
In my experience K701 has one of the deepest bass I've ever heard, and it has enough impact. Imho, in deepest bass the dynamic is very good. The very flat (in my setup and as I hear it) mid-bass response maybe does not "sound well" with some recordings a little "shy" in this region (i.e. yesterday night I've listened to Discovery of Mike Oldfield, and this recording lack a bit of impact with the K701), but with good (lets say "correct") recording, I find the mid-bass and bass respone very good. Especially with classical music, where I find the K701 sound almost "perfect". I only have some doubt in mid-bass harmonic "fullness" (comparing them to the Sennheiser HE60), but this strongly depends from the recording. And I know that my amp is not the best for the K701.

It's funny how every new top AKG leads to "bass discussion"...

Anyway, it's AKG way to sound, you like it or not... the new thing it's that now the bass is "complete" in deepness and presence (imho), but it tends to mantain the "K501-sh" distance. And it's a matter of taste if you like this presentation or not.

Andrew
post #150 of 198
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Originally Posted by amartignano
In my experience K701 has one of the deepest bass I've ever heard, and it has enough impact. Imho, in deepest bass the dynamic is very good. The very flat (in my setup and as I hear it) mid-bass response maybe does not "sound well" with some recordings a little "shy" in this region (i.e. yesterday night I've listened to Discovery of Mike Oldfield, and this recording lack a bit of impact with the K701), but with good (lets say "correct") recording, I find the mid-bass and bass respone very good. Especially with classical music, where I find the K701 sound almost "perfect". I only have some doubt in mid-bass harmonic "fullness" (comparing them to the Sennheiser HE60), but this strongly depends from the recording. And I know that my amp is not the best for the K701.

It's funny how every new top AKG leads to "bass discussion"...

Anyway, it's AKG way to sound, you like it or not... the new thing it's that now the bass is "complete" in deepness and presence (imho), but it tends to mantain the "K501-sh" distance. And it's a matter of taste if you like this presentation or not.

Andrew
Andrew, I agree with your last comments about it being a matter of taste in terms of presentation (I think that's why there is such a visceral enthusiasm (putting it diplomatically) between Senn v. Grado folks) but I totally disagree regarding bass. From what I've heard so far, there is very little impact in the bass department (the HD650 has more).

I truely believe the 701 is the new FOTM and comparing it to the R10 is a testiment to that fact. Btw, its a fine headphone, its just not in the echelon of the R10, that's my main point.
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