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post #31 of 49
I think, for the most part, the bass on a re-hardwired K1000 w/ a proper psu, amp and source is sufficient to say the least. However, I do use a small sub on occasion. It's a Gale 10" ported which is an inexpensive but adequate sub as it rattles the living hell out of my house without trying so I have to keep it in the BASSment where it grooves with me in private. Oh yeah, source is an NAD T533 and NAD T753 w/ some ZU ICs going into my Doobooloo maxxed PPA and soon I will have my K1000 hardwired by doob w/ a custom PSU for the PPA to boot.
post #32 of 49
Thread Starter 
Lots of great advice. I haven't heard anybody mention the Stefan Audio Art Equinox cable. I just bought one. What to expect? Anybody use this with any success.

Also, someone mentioned good power cord and vibration issues. I'm using Mapleshade isolation feet on the cd player and the amp.

Just got my new pair of K1ks today. How long to burn in???
post #33 of 49
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by sonance
Hm.. when people talk about the shortcomings of the 650, usually "no bass" and "no soundstage" aren't the leading complaints, as far as headphones go.
There are other headphones with more speed and slam to the bass, but the 650s put out plenty of low freq. energy, and they don't roll off too early either, especially compared to the K1000s. The K1000s will probably sound more open and unique in their soundstange, so it's a good thing you ordered them again. For the bass roll-off issues, others have recommended the subwoofer than you were considering.
BTW, what happened to your speakers, you said you had these speakers before, did you sell the VR4Jrs? Was it an issue of practicality or did you not like them?
Yeah, I was shocked that the K1ks had better bass than the HD650s. I guess that just demonstrates how much the whole system impacts the ultimate sound. I'm sure the HD650s DO have great bass but, in my system the bass sucked compared to the K1ks. Now, I'm not saying that the bass extension was lower in the k1ks it just sounded fuller and MUCH more realistic.
post #34 of 49
You weren't using the HD650 with the Cary were you? I love the Cary 300SEI, but didn't like a stock one at all with the HD600.

Best,

-Jason
post #35 of 49
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by jjcha
You weren't using the HD650 with the Cary were you? I love the Cary 300SEI, but didn't like a stock one at all with the HD600.



Best,

-Jason



Yes, I was.

Synergy. Synergy...I can't stress that enough peple.
post #36 of 49
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Originally Posted by jpelg
The only can's I'd rate at K1000 level or "better", include the Sennhieser HE90, Stax Omega II, Sony R10, or the Sony Qualia 010. Again, it just more of a different high-quality presentation than "better". And those are all much more expensive, and just as finicky about associated components. None of these are perfect either (well, the Orpheus comes close ), and have their issues too.
Agreed.
I have not heard HE90, but did briefly listen to Qualia, R10 and Omega II.
With Qualia I go t no seal with mid-sized pad, and it sounded really bad, no better than Senn PX100.
R10 and Omega II are both excellent headphones, and I could easily fall in love with them. They sound different from K1000, but not really better nor worse. At this level of peformance the cans differ mainly by presentation, not technical superiority. They are all superior to begin with.
K1000 is not perfect, and I think the best headphone to complement a K1000 is a hi-end Grado (RS-1 or PS-1). Grados sound good in an almost opposite way to K1000.
post #37 of 49
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Originally Posted by Ferbose
Agreed.
I have not heard HE90, but did briefly listen to Qualia, R10 and Omega II.
With Qualia I go t no seal with mid-sized pad, and it sounded really bad, no better than Senn PX100.
R10 and Omega II are both excellent headphones, and I could easily fall in love with them. They sound different from K1000, but not really better nor worse. At this level of peformance the cans differ mainly by presentation, not technical superiority. They are all superior to begin with.
K1000 is not perfect, and I think the best headphone to complement a K1000 is a hi-end Grado (RS-1 or PS-1). Grados sound good in an almost opposite way to K1000.
I pretty much agree with all of this, especially the part that I've bolded.

I've had "fit" issues with the Qualia 010 as well, but once I heard them with the Singlepower balanced "bling" amp at the last NY meet, I realized what all of the fuss was about. With the right fit and the right upstream components (especially a balanced amp), the 010's are definitely at home in the upper echelon of headphones.

I think you've made a good point (or at least this is how I took it) in that there are 'magical' things about all of these headphones. I could argue that there are things that the R10's do that no other headphones do. Same goes for the Omega II's. The K1000's also provide something special that even the HE90's can't quite do, in terms of the layering of the soundstage and depth perception that they provide.

But I've also heard the K1000's sound fairly mediocre so it depends a LOT on the system they are mated with. Mostly the amp matching, but also source, cables and even the music selected.

If the K1000's were my main phone and I was looking for something else to compliment them, it would probably be a closed pair of headphones. There are times when you simply cannot use the K1000's. My first choice would be the UE10-Pro (or similar) because they are closed and also (duh... obviously) portable.
post #38 of 49
And thanks to Wmcmanus, I have discovered life beyond K1000:
Listening to K1000 and speakers at the same time.

Seen Wmcmanus post about it, doubted it, tried it, loved it, expanded it, totally sold on it and could not live without it.
No longer do I go to live classical concerts in perpetual marvel of how live performances always sound better than recorded music.
Depending on the seat and the hall, live performances do not always sound better, though they often do.
At home I can get uncannily natural sound, too, with just stereo recordings, thanks to a few psychoacoustic tricks, discussed here.

In my current setup, I have a PreSonus Central Station passive preamp sending signals to three different amps that drive K1000, front speakers and Dynaco quadaptor/rear speakers. The rear speakers are for ambience effects generated through "dynaquad."

Even though K1000/speaker system startlingly approximates the concert hall experience, I still use SR225 all the time to get killer speed for rock. For the lively jazz club acoustics I am still trying to decide between DT880 and K701.

The lesson I learned is that no system is be all and end all. My first priority is the concert hall sound for my ever-growing classical collection, and Wmcmanus showed me the way.
post #39 of 49
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Originally Posted by pawlowski6132
Lots of great advice. I haven't heard anybody mention the Stefan Audio Art Equinox cable. I just bought one. What to expect? Anybody use this with any success.
The Equinox cable is great and doesn't show a lack of resolution. Since I'm a crazy obsessive audiophile I had already started fasting (saving) for a Nordost Valhalla speaker cable ($11k) but I don't need any better sound than I already have. I thought the cable was the weakness all along, but it wasn't. Now my ears and brain are the weaknesses so I don't need to upgrade anymore, I was prepared to spend millions! Actually if I had the money I would still buy the same cheap system I have now even if I had to give away the rest of the money. It's about synergy with the brain...


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Originally Posted by pawlowski6132
Also, someone mentioned good power cord and vibration issues. I'm using Mapleshade isolation feet on the cd player and the amp.
If the equipment doesn't have 100% isolation then K1000 will show it.

If I were you my next upgrade would be PS Audio UPC-200 or PS Audio Power Plant with MultiWave II. The TubeWave setting should work great with your tube amp, it does wonders for my solid-state amp.
post #40 of 49
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Originally Posted by Patrick82
It's about synergy with the brain...
Obviously.
post #41 of 49
Thread Starter 
What could I expect to pay for these two on the used market do you think??

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Originally Posted by Patrick82

If I were you my next upgrade would be PS Audio UPC-200 or PS Audio Power Plant with MultiWave II. The TubeWave setting should work great with your tube amp, it does wonders for my solid-state amp.
post #42 of 49
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Originally Posted by pawlowski6132
What could I expect to pay for these two on the used market do you think??
UPC-200 = ~$350
P300 PowerPlant = ~$650 and shipping cost is higher because it weights over 30 pounds.
post #43 of 49
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Originally Posted by some1x
UPC-200 = ~$350
P300 PowerPlant = ~$650 and shipping cost is higher because it weights over 30 pounds.
That's affordable and probably not that hard to find, but getting Patrick82's special brain synergy on the used market won't be that easy.
post #44 of 49

K1000s Rule!

I just sold my Stax Omega IIs with a KGSS Amplifier, which was a great (albeit expensive) headphone system.

The reason I sold the Omega IIs + KGSS? Once I got my K1000s properly cabled (Stefan AudioArts Equinox hardwire cabling), properly amped (FirstWatt F1) they totally blew the Stax Omega IIs + KGSS away! Properly cabled, and properly amped, I don't think that you can beat the K1000s at any price.
post #45 of 49
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Originally Posted by Canman
I have missed the K-1000 since I sold them. I have always thought about buying another pair and I may just do it soon since they are going to be discontinued.

Hirsch is right: they are totally unique. While they are finnicky about amplification, when paired right they sound fantastic.
I just bought a backup pair of K1000s, just for insurance purposes.
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