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post #901 of 975

I sold mine a few years ago and could only get it sold for much less than that. Also considering the K701/702 regularly go for that amount and not discontinued it will be hard to get much more than the offers you are getting.

post #902 of 975
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Originally Posted by BluesDaddy View Post

Here's an example of the 501 pad with the "brown ring". I keep thinking I ought to get a pair of 701 pads, but these sound so good I'm not inclined to spend another $45 just find out if the 701 pads are a significant improvement over the brown rings or not.

Is that brown material vinyl or foam?
post #903 of 975
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How much does a pair of these run for these days?

 

I regret not buying them when I had the chance. 

 

I would say the price performance puts these at around $150, maybe $180 if you're really looking for a pair. These got a lot of interested once they were discontinued and the price jumped up a bit. 

post #904 of 975
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I would say the price performance puts these at around $150, maybe $180 if you're really looking for a pair. These got a lot of interested once they were discontinued and the price jumped up a bit. 

I see you have the Mad Dogs. I would take k501 at the same price anytime. It is all about priorities. k501's more agile nature, openess and air are more appealing to me than the slow and still quite closed character of the very unportable Mad Dogs. 

post #905 of 975
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Is that brown material vinyl or foam?

Neither, I think it's just paint or ink.  It's not the brown itself that makes a difference, it just signifies a different version of the 501 pads.

post #906 of 975
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Neither, I think it's just paint or ink.  It's not the brown itself that makes a difference, it just signifies a different version of the 501 pads.

 

It sure looks like the foam of the replacement K501 pads, which is grey. Can any owner of these pads chime in? The material is used for better sealing and affects the frequency response.


Edited by MDR30 - 4/9/13 at 2:01pm
post #907 of 975
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Originally Posted by muxamed View Post

I see you have the Mad Dogs. I would take k501 at the same price anytime. It is all about priorities. k501's more agile nature, openess and air are more appealing to me than the slow and still quite closed character of the very unportable Mad Dogs. 

 

I'm not sure how portability plays into much. If you did want to take them on the go (and I have) there isn't that much issue with their portability. 

 

The K501 may seem to be more agile and quick sounding, but that is only due to total lack of bass. Don't get me wrong, I do like the K501, but when it comes to technical capabilities the Mad Dogs definitely have a step up. Also, soundstage is a clear win with Mad Dogs. They are simply the best I have heard when it comes to reproducing live recordings. 

post #908 of 975
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The K501 may seem to be more agile and quick sounding, but that is only due to total lack of bass.

 

 

I don't know anything about mad dogs but i'm definitely surprised about supposed K501 lack of bass.  I have a Koss Porta pro ( bassy) an Ultrasone Sig pro ( bassy side of neutrality) and i had other bassy cans and my K501 definitely doesn't lack of bass.  especially with K701 pads.  I've read threads about different K501 series ( more or less bassy) and i saw pics and my Models is not considered the bassiest one. 


Edited by Sorrodje - 4/10/13 at 12:54pm
post #909 of 975
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Originally Posted by elwappo99 View Post

 

I'm not sure how portability plays into much. If you did want to take them on the go (and I have) there isn't that much issue with their portability. 

 

The K501 may seem to be more agile and quick sounding, but that is only due to total lack of bass. Don't get me wrong, I do like the K501, but when it comes to technical capabilities the Mad Dogs definitely have a step up. Also, soundstage is a clear win with Mad Dogs. They are simply the best I have heard when it comes to reproducing live recordings. 

 

k501 doesn't lack the bass. I have HD650 and ATH-M50 and I definitely don't miss bass in comparison. The bass of the k501 is in my opinion more textured than the Mad Dogs, and is tighter. The soundstage is definitely bigger. The agility of k501 can also be seen as a "better technical capability". A better transient handling perhaps?  I am not sure how anyone can think that the Mad Dogs have better soundstage. Even my HD650 has larger soundstage than the MadDogs. I have auditioned the MadDogs, compared them to my headphones and honestly, they seem to be the hugest hype here on head-fi right now. Just my 2c.

post #910 of 975
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Originally Posted by BluesDaddy View Post

Neither, I think it's just paint or ink.  It's not the brown itself that makes a difference, it just signifies a different version of the 501 pads.

 

It sure looks like the foam of the replacement K501 pads, which is grey. Can any owner of these pads chime in? The material is used for better sealing and affects the frequency response.

 

Brown ring pad:

 

 

 

Pad on my K501:

 

 

 

Replacement pad I bought recently:

 

 

 

Small differences that probably affects the response.

 

Number of baffle vents (covered with filter fabric) is more influental on sound, and there may be varieties of drivers as well.

post #911 of 975
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Originally Posted by BluesDaddy View Post

Neither, I think it's just paint or ink.  It's not the brown itself that makes a difference, it just signifies a different version of the 501 pads.

 

It sure looks like the foam of the replacement K501 pads, which is grey. Can any owner of these pads chime in? The material is used for better sealing and affects the frequency response.

Okay, sorry, just pulled a pad off, it is like a raised bead of silicone, but is NOT foam. I was going on a six year old memory!! rolleyes.gif

post #912 of 975
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k501 doesn't lack the bass. I have HD650 and ATH-M50 and I definitely don't miss bass in comparison. The bass of the k501 is in my opinion more textured than the Mad Dogs, and is tighter. The soundstage is definitely bigger. The agility of k501 can also be seen as a "better technical capability". A better transient handling perhaps?  I am not sure how anyone can think that the Mad Dogs have better soundstage. Even my HD650 has larger soundstage than the MadDogs. I have auditioned the MadDogs, compared them to my headphones and honestly, they seem to be the hugest hype here on head-fi right now. Just my 2c.

If one reads through this thread from the beginning, this has been a consistent theme - the supposed lack of bass of the K501.  The brown ring pads supposedly improve bass, as does the use of K701/702 pads. I can't attest to that, having only had the brown ring pads. What I will say is that I concur that the 501 does NOT lack bass, but is not bloated bass or emphasized bass. The K501s strike me as one of the most neutral set of cans I've heard, and that is why some folks complain about a "lack of bass". They want to the overemphasized bass of a lot of today's consumer oriented (as opposed to hi-fi) headphones and speakers.  They want to "pump up" the bass rather than have a set of cans accurately reflect the signal chain and recording. I'm not sure when and where this started in the world of audio, but suspect it has to do with the "objective" vs. "subjective" arguments where "subjective" turned into "whatever I prefer is 'right'". The original intent, and so-called "holy grail", of hi-fi was/is to accurately reflect what was on a recording and, ultimately, a live musical performance.  This is roundly poo-pooed these days, but still seems to me to be the preferred measure of hi-fi equipment. If one desires an emphasis on certain spectral aspects of a recording, use the tone controls or an equalizer - you are far more likely to arrive at a sound that truly suits your "taste".  But to start out with inaccurate reproduction and have to fix it is simply oxymoronic.

post #913 of 975
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Originally Posted by BluesDaddy View Post

If one reads through this thread from the beginning, this has been a consistent theme - the supposed lack of bass of the K501.  The brown ring pads supposedly improve bass, as does the use of K701/702 pads. I can't attest to that, having only had the brown ring pads. What I will say is that I concur that the 501 does NOT lack bass, but is not bloated bass or emphasized bass. The K501s strike me as one of the most neutral set of cans I've heard, and that is why some folks complain about a "lack of bass". They want to the overemphasized bass of a lot of today's consumer oriented (as opposed to hi-fi) headphones and speakers.  They want to "pump up" the bass rather than have a set of cans accurately reflect the signal chain and recording. I'm not sure when and where this started in the world of audio, but suspect it has to do with the "objective" vs. "subjective" arguments where "subjective" turned into "whatever I prefer is 'right'". The original intent, and so-called "holy grail", of hi-fi was/is to accurately reflect what was on a recording and, ultimately, a live musical performance.  This is roundly poo-pooed these days, but still seems to me to be the preferred measure of hi-fi equipment. If one desires an emphasis on certain spectral aspects of a recording, use the tone controls or an equalizer - you are far more likely to arrive at a sound that truly suits your "taste".  But to start out with inaccurate reproduction and have to fix it is simply oxymoronic.

 

This is an opinion I can agree with, although I would probably use other words. What we urgently need are measurements of the classic AKGs, just for observation and comparison. If I'd lived in the states I'd send my K400, K500, K401 and K501 to Tyll at Innerfidelity immediately. Now we have to rely on USA citizens' mercy.


Edited by MDR30 - 4/12/13 at 3:18am
post #914 of 975

I completely agree with you both . I don't leave in US and I would be pleased to have measurements too . 

post #915 of 975

Bought a near mint pair of these for 50€. Awesome headphones!

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