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post #31 of 45
which sounds better to melancholypunk's ears, his car stereo or his ex70? let's all argue about it!!

keep the gaskets clean and don't get grime from your fingers on them and your ears should be fine.
post #32 of 45
Thread Starter 

ok

haha

thanks folks
post #33 of 45
Note to everybody...
There are a lot of non-audiophiles out there that like to mess with mega bass features and equalizers, because they like the way that it sounds. If something has an equalizer, a lot of the ordinary Joes and Janes out there boost the treble and the bass and leave the mids where they are (sometimes it's not even adjustable). On a graphic equalizer, it'll be a valley, or a U shape. This sounds good to a lot of people. They aren't hearing what really sounds good or what is meant to be heard, but they don't care because they like it with boosted bass and treble, and if someone flattened the equalizer, it would sound horrendous. The use of the equalizers isn't for equalizing levels to balance out the spectrum, but rather for just making the music 'sound good'.

It's like those people who put powerful subs in their cars, crank them up, and play all their music through them at ear splitting, window breaking, suspension crushing volume, because it sounds. One girl I know turns the bass enhancement feature on her car cd player to level 3, the max, uses the equalizer to adjust the bass to its max, reduces the treble to its minimum, and proceeds to blast Britney Spears. She claimed that she likes it that way after I told her that it sounds like ****. Her loss.

My guess is that the car stereo has been set to boost the highs and lows, and so now with earphones, everything is more balanced, and it sounds 'bad' because the spectrum is more flat and the mids are being heard. For anyone in this situation, hopefully, after a while, one's ears should adjust and enjoy the balanced sound.
post #34 of 45

Hey Gluegun, sorry I missed your question...

I wasn't ignoring you. Work has been ludicrous busy, and I wasn't paying attention to the important things in life (like great tunes and planning my next dive trip).

I haven't worked with any Honda's. I am not a professional at car audio (or anything audio, for that matter), it just happens to be one of my obsessive hobbies.

I usually start with the Crutchfield catalog to see what will fit in the doors. I have tried the mini-speakers on the floor trick (and gave up the dead-pedal in my first Supra to do it). It was not worth the compromise in foot space, plus they got kicked a lot. Swear to god, everytime I tried to do a fast shift coming out of a turn I would stomp on that poor speaker.

I have had the most luck with 5 to 6 inch woofers low in the door, and good 1" dome tweeters high and forward on the door panels facing across. This puts the driver closer to on axis with the farther tweeter. This scheme can actually give a decent image across the windshield. Of course a subwoofer in the back is a must. I avoid rear speakers, since they detract from the image and make tonal balance hard to tune.

I have been tempted to try surround sound in a vehicle. I don't care for it in the house, but it might be fun in a car. Not my RX-7, though. Weight is evil in that toy!


Have fun
post #35 of 45
I think most car stereos suck. My friends Sunfire factory stereo has no mids, harsh highs and a lot of noise and distortion in the sound. My mom's Plymouth Breeze has no mids boomy bloated bass and harsh sh*tty treble and lots of other problems. I bought a pair of $129 Cnd. Kenwood 4x10 speakers for the rear deck of my 83 Pontiac Grand Prix and I only have the 2 speakers in it and it sounds way better. It still has recessed midrange but the bass is fairly deep and tight and the highs are crisp and clear and only a little bit harsh. I'm happy with them. I think they're good enough for the car. I usually pick what I listen to depending on what equipment I'm using. In the car I'll listen to music that came from mp3's. With my home stereo and EX70's I listen to better recordings because the stereo doesn't make them sound bad.

I agree with Frosty. I think almost all cheaper audio stuff has louder treble and bass because a lot of people are tricked into thinking it sounds better.

btw don't wear EX70's in the car, you won't know if your muffler falls off the car or anything bad like that. :-)
post #36 of 45
Thread Starter 

haha

I don't wear the ex70's when driving, only when I'm in the back seat on a long drive.
post #37 of 45
Of course not melancholy, it'd be illegal....



Anyways, man, have you tested to see if your car speakers have any midrange yet?
post #38 of 45
Thread Starter 

interesting story

Well I don't think I'll be testing the midrange, because I dont listen to slow female singers, like Sarah McLaughlen (sp?).

The only thing I really listen to is punkrock, so I like my music to have a little bass, but too much sounds horrible. I'm not one of those people that likes to blur out the music with heavy bass.

Today I was listening to emo (for those that don't know the style of music, its sort of slow punk music, based more on vocals with slow music) and as I was listening to that I noticed a lot of subtle sounds that I weren't aware of. For example, in the car I mainly heard the guy's voice, the drums, guitar...etc, the usual, but when I was listening to the EX70's I could hear the drummer hitting the symbol and other sumbtle instruments.

I don't think people are "tricked" into making their music sound better by putting up the bass and the treble. The reality of it is, people obviously want their music to sound the best, so if that means turning up the bass and treble for them they aren't being "tricked" they are just listening to what sounds best to them, and thats what music is for.

Some people like more bass, some like more of a midrange, some prefer higher treble, so there isnt a way music is supposed to be listened to, its different for each listener, which is why stereos have settings for the music (bass, treb, mid..etc).

So basically I found the ex70's sounded better with slower softer music but it didn't have the punch for the faster louder songs. My mp3/cd player also has bad sound, it's a first generation player so its convenient that it plays mp3 cds, but again mp3 compression is 1/12.

I found the standard plug for my stereo but my ex70's don't fit into it. I'm not gonna go buy the right piece because I'm never going to listen to my stereo with them. I tried them plugged into my computer, but the extrension is on my speakers, and I have really lousy computer speakers.

I know you guys really know your stuff about headphones, but are any of you aware about portable digital music devices? There's a new portable mp3 player I'm thinking of getting (it should be available at the start of sept) you can check out the link here www.treoplayer.com My question about it is, will it sound better than my first generation mp3 player, or will any mp3 player have not so great quality playback. I don't understand all the specs like

Signal to Noise Ratio >90db
Frequency Response 20 Hz to 20 KHz
Maximum output 100mW
THD .1%

Can of you explain what that means to me? Does it have good quality playback.

Thanks for any help guys
post #39 of 45
There's only one REALLY good portable mp3 player....

check it out....

http://www.pjbox.com/

Of course, it's only worth it to get that quality if you rip all of your CD's at 256-320 kb (so you would USE all of that capacity....), with all of the best rippers and encoders and the like (there's good info on how to make an mp3 sound like a CD at www.r3mix.net [but the other stuff they say about audio there is pure crap. don't listen to the author's OPINIONS about sound, listen to his METHODS for creating mp3s]), and are using good headphones (like the EX70's...or the Etymotic ER4P's...or even the ER4S's; this thing supposedly has enough power for them...and I think this thing even comes with a set of Koss Portapros...not sure though....)
post #40 of 45
Thread Starter 

too much $$$

Ya I've seen that mp3 player and it got great reviews, unfortunately I'm in Canada, so the $495 US price is way too expensive for me. Add in the exchange rate and it comes to $761. Add in taxes and its at about $870. Plus shipping and any other additional charges...

All my mp3s are ripped between 128 and 192. I dont have anything higher than that. Can I change the quality of my mp3s? Or does it have to be re-encoded.

I'm gonna check out the website, thanks for the info.
post #41 of 45
No, it has to be re-encoded...

and, unless you rip them yourself with these good rippers and encode them with these good encoders, uh, chances are it will be significantly worse than it could be....

You know? that is for someone who has a LOT of CD's, likes listening to them, but doesn't like taking them everywhere, so he carefully puts them all on his computer, and then puts all of his favorites into one awesome mp3 player....

Definitely a high-tech business-traveller oriented product. Like, that and the ER4P's are like, the ultimate traveller's friend...


Um.....does all of those details that you hear in the EX70's add all that much to your enjoyment of the music?
post #42 of 45
Thread Starter 

hmmm

It adds to the enjoyment of my slower stuff, but to the faster harder music I prefer more bass and less detail, I wanna do some mild headbanging ya know

I'm really bummed out about the mp3 thing, I knew there was differences in the bitrate qualities but I always thought anything above 128 was really good sound, and wouldnt really be detectable.
post #43 of 45
Yea, the EX70's will show you all of the pops, clicks, hisses and the extent of the digital compression (especially at high frequencies, where it lops more off)...

But, just try and get more and one rip of your favorite songs, from whatever you use to get your mp3's, and choose which one is best of those. Shouldn't be too hard. Granted, wouldn't be as good as if you ripped it yourself (most likely), but, with a little effort, a little time, and a lot of bandwidth and hard disk space, you can get a quality MP3...
post #44 of 45
My EX70's have some of the best bass I've heard (headphones or speakers) they have more bass than most people on here like but I don't mind them even without the tape mod (I have tried it and kind of prefer it without the tape). I did the foam mod to reduce the treble a bit. The bass goes really deep and to me theres just the right amount. I think it might be that you just like to feel the bass all around you. With the ex70's I can at least feel the bass in my head but no headphones can vibrate your whole body. If you need the vibrating bass then headphones just won't do the job for you. Maybe your just not a headphone kind of person. The ex70's DO technically have better sound quality than your car stereo, it's just that you prefer speakers.
post #45 of 45
as far as bass response goes for the ex70, i would describe it as "springy". what i mean is, the bass has a great taught vibrancy. if your recording has bass, you'll hear it. if it is not there, you won't (unlike "bass boost" or boomy headphones). the gaskets give it a kind of vinyl quality, i don't know how else to describe it.

for the size and price, the ex70 is a remarkable headphone. the combination of sound qaulity, price, bass, isolation, convenience, durability, and styling make it a great buy, imho.
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